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Fiscal ruin of the Western world beckons - Daily Telegraph
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Linux_User
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 |  |  |  | Daily Telegraph wrote: Fiscal ruin of the Western world beckons For a glimpse of what awaits Britain, Europe, and America as budget deficits spiral to war-time levels, look at what is happening to the Irish welfare state. By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Published: 5:40PM BST 18 Jul 2009
Events have already forced Premier Brian Cowen to carry out the harshest assault yet seen on the public services of a modern Western state. He has passed two emergency budgets to stop the deficit soaring to 15pc of GDP. They have not been enough. The expert An Bord Snip report said last week that Dublin must cut deeper, or risk a disastrous debt compound trap.
A further 17,000 state jobs must go (equal to 1.25m in the US), though unemployment is already 12pc and heading for 16pc next year.
Education must be cut 8pc. Scores of rural schools must close, and 6,900 teachers must go. "The attacks outlined in this report would represent an education disaster and light a short fuse on a social timebomb", said the Teachers Union of Ireland.
Nobody is spared. Social welfare payments must be cut 5pc, child benefit by 20pc. The Garda (police), already smarting from a 7pc pay cut, may have to buy their own uniforms. Hospital visits could cost £107 a day, etc, etc.
"Something has to give," said Professor Colm McCarthy, the report's author. "We're borrowing €400m (£345m) a week at a penalty interest."
No doubt Ireland has been the victim of a savagely tight monetary policy e_SEmD given its specific needs. But the deeper truth is that Britain, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, the US, and Japan are in varying states of fiscal ruin, and those tipping into demographic decline (unlike young Ireland) have an underlying cancer that is even more deadly. The West cannot support its gold-plated state structures from an aging workforce and depleted tax base.
As the International Monetary Fund made clear last week, Britain is lucky that markets have not yet imposed a "penalty interest" on British Gilts, given the trajectory of UK national debt – now vaulting towards 100pc of GDP – and the scandalous refusal of this Government to map out any path back to solvency.
"The UK has been getting the benefit of the doubt, both in the Government bond market and also the foreign exchange market. This benefit of the doubt is not going to last forever," said the Fund.
France and Italy have been less abject, but they began with higher borrowing needs. Italy's debt is expected to reach the danger level of 120pc next year, according to leaked Treasury documents. France's debt will near 90pc next year if President Nicolas Sarkozy goes ahead with his "Grand Emprunt", a fiscal blitz masquerading as investment.
There was a case for an emergency boost last winter to cushion the blow as global industry crashed. That moment has passed. While I agree with Nomura's Richard Koo that the US, Britain, and Europe risk a deflationary slump along the lines of Japan's Lost Decade (two decades really), I am ever more wary of his calls for Keynesian spending a l'outrance.
Such policies have crippled Japan. A string of make-work stimulus plans e_SEmD famously building bridges to nowhere in Hokkaido e_SEmD has ensured that the day of reckoning will be worse, when it comes. The IMF says Japan's gross public debt will reach 240pc of GDP by 2014 e_SEmD beyond the point of recovery for a nation with a contracting workforce. Sooner or later, Japan's bond market will blow up.
Error One was to permit a bubble in the 1980s. Error Two was to wait a decade before opting for monetary "shock and awe" through quantitative easing.
The US Federal Reserve has moved faster but already seems to think the job is done. "Quantitative tightening" has begun. Its balance sheet has contracted by almost $200bn (£122bn) from the peak. The M2 money supply has stagnated since January. The Fed is talking of "exit strategies".
Is this a replay of mid-2008 when the Fed lost its nerve, bristling over criticism that it had cut rates too low (then 2pc)? Remember what happened. Fed hawks in Dallas, St Louis, and Atlanta talked of rate rises. That had consequences. Markets tightened in anticipation, and arguably triggered the collapse of Lehman Brothers, AIG, Fannie and Freddie that Autumn.
The Fed's doctrine – New Keynesian Synthesis – has let it down time and again in this long saga, and there is scant evidence that Fed officials recognise the fact. As for the European Central Bank, it has let private loan growth contract this summer.
The imperative for the debt-bloated West is to cut spending systematically for year after year, off-setting the deflationary effect with monetary stimulus. This is the only mix that can save us.
My awful fear is that we will do exactly the opposite, incubating yet another crisis this autumn, to which we will respond with yet further spending. This is the road to ruin. |  |  |  |  |
Courtesy of Telegraph.co.ukScary [LIFTED]. 
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:26 pm |
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Paul1965
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10:30 on a Monday morning and I'm already stressed out! 
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HeatherKay
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Meh. Life will go on. Humans are resourceful creatures. If the global banking system crashes totally, we'll end up bartering goods and services. It'll be hard, but it'll have the advantage of weeding out the wastrels and freeloaders. So, it was nice knowing you all. I'm the one in the corner with my head in my hands... 
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Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:29 am |
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ethelredalready
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All this kind of thing does is prove that "Economics" is a synonym for [LIFTED]!
It fair makes me giggle when all these "experts", who were happily crowing about the brilliant sucess of "Capitalism" and de-regulated everything a year or two ago are now suggesting that they knew all along it would end in tears. Talk about 20/20 hindsight!
The simple fact (if such a thing exits in this context) is that all the time the "music" goes round its fine. As soon as the music stops we inevitably find out there are more people than chairs.
Strange that the only aparrent solution is NOT to tax the bejesus out of the Rich idiots who caused this problem (who after digesting billions of public money are now making huge "profits"\bonuses again) but to sack all those "supernumary"Teachers, Nurses and Social Workers. And of course from the point of view of our new masters we, the masses in Europe and USA are substantially surplus to requirements, so we don't need these "luxuries".
It's sad that in the 40th anniversary of the Moon Landing, which promised so much, the human "project" has diminished to the point of making the whole world into some kind of neo-fuedal third world state: no healthcare, education or security for the masses; wealth beyond avaricxe for the few. The whole thing managed through violence and state power..... I thought we were supposed to be fighting against the new "caliphate", not creating a godless money-driven facsimilie of it.
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Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:54 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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i couldn't agree more the workers will have to work longer and harder before they retire (if ever) to ensure the rich get richer and lead a life of total luxury at our expense and off of our backs for ever and ever Amen … this recession is going to last longer then anybody thinks because when we are able to repay the money we have borrowed we will not be able to increase services or wages as any spare money (when things improve) will be used to pay the debts that we have incurred preventing a depression …
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Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:04 pm |
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HeatherKay
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One thing struck me in all this Apollo hoohah - it seems the population of our planet has doubled in the last four decades.
I think having 6 billion humans (and growing) on the planet makes it all but impossible for society in general to be fair to everyone. It's all going to end in tears unless we really tackle this last taboo.
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Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:58 pm |
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paulzolo
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Don’t worry - James Lovelock’s Gaia Theory tells us that by the end of the century, the planet’s population will have crashed to 1 billion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Love ... _mortalityThis is what Vivian Westwood got bother about on Wossy’s TV programme last week.
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Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:59 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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Indeed, here's a splendid bit of bull doody posing as economics... oh, err, wait a minute. On a more serious note. That Torygraph columnist is just an unreformed Thatcherite and he is spouting bollocks. It is true there are limits to the value of Keynesian stimulus packages, especially in a developed economy like ours. In India or China, that kind of development leads to new roads and bridges etc that are genuinely useful. In the UK we run the risk of funding a bridge to nowhere, or paying one man to dig a hole and another to fill it in if we aren't careful. But actually that's what we do all the time and people expect a certain amount of it. Our agriculture and manufacturing sectors are dependent upon Keynesian stimulus even without recession. He's also backing fiscal policies that arguably created the problem we have now (it wasn't just bank regulation, it was low interest rates). He's also overstating the threat of the bond markets. Britain, France, Germany, the US, face little risk from the bond markets, probably Italy too. Spain is a different matter, they are pretty [LIFTED] tbh. And his Thatcherite terror of inflation is wrong headed too. Recent monetary policy in the developed world has been all about keeping inflation below various arbitrary targets. This was easy to achieve because China was exerting downward price pressure on the prices of imported goods (using measures that will undermine their own economic performance in the longer run). The result was a long period of low interest rates combined with reasonable GDP growth and and low inflation. Unfortunately, the idiots believed that it was their inspired new monetary policy that was bringing about a miracle, thus Gordon Brown's regular boast that he had created the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth in history. This tendency among politician to believe their own hype and suppose that the era of boom and bust was over, combined with misconceived policies to promote home ownership in some countries (UK, USA, Ireland, and Spain) is what caused the current troubles. Over the next few years, we will actually want a little inflation, not too much admittedly, but we need some. This is because inflation makes our debts cheaper. I suggest reading the economist for economic news, it is less given to hysteria than the dailies, and also far less politically biased. If you want something a bit scary, look up a Russian economist called Kondratiev. If he's right (and he always has been in the past), we are in for 20 to 30 years of [LIFTED] economies. That reminds me of another celebrated dead economist. One mister Malthus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe
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Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:53 pm |
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ethelredalready
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@shockwaffle: Very neatly said, though for my money Marx (Karl that is) was more political philosopher than 'economist' though a strong case Can be made for Harpo or Groucho being right up there with Friedman et al. While itemising the inadequacies of the Thatcherite\neocon analysis it's worth noting that the Chinese economic 'miracle' supporting recent western "growth" owes more than a little to good old fashioned Keynesian state Intervention mixed with a big dollop of Stalinist repression.
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Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:12 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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Here's an article from the Economist that takes a more balanced view (in my view) http://www.economist.com/opinion/displa ... d=13829461
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Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:20 pm |
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