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good, a start on illegals ...
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MrStevenRogers
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big_D
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Just wait until they mix up your account with MrStevenRogers from the Dominican Republic and close your account by accident...
I don't think this is the way to do it. Give the banks High Court orders, fine. A secret list? No.
How do we know the ministers have done due dilligence? Can we be sure they have made no mistakes? Where is the oversight?
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MrStevenRogers
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if it get rids of illegals no problem, i dont care how draconian it gets. i dont care how harsh the laws are even if it affects me (as me and mine are legal) as long as it hits the illegals and anyone aiding/abetting them. bring it on and then some ... full ID cards for all UK citizens and legal residents. no ID card you have no access to anything and are entitled to nothing. easier to pick them up this way. but we can only do this when we leave that piece of garbage called the EU. happy days are ahead ...
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big_D
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 Why can you only do this, once you leave the EU?
ID cards are required in many EU lands. It has always been UK citizens that were against an ID card. I was all for it, back at the end of the 90s and the beginning of the 2000s, but the majority of the UK wanted nothing to do with ID cards, too big brother... No you have Big Brother without the ID cards.
Here, in Germany, you need an ID card (Personalausweis) or your passport + Anmeldeformular (the certificate you get when you register you place of residence with the local council). If you are trying to get work, you need both of those plus a Work Permit (Arbeitserlaubnis), if you come from outside the EU. Customs & Excise (Zoll) make regular checks of many types of business (restraunts, building sites, some shops, nursing homes etc.) to check all the employees are a) properly employed and not being paid cash-in-hand (Schwarzarbeit, black-work) and b) that they are either German/EU or have a valid work permit.
If you don't have a work permit, you will be arrested and the employer will get a big fine.
Refugees are assigned to camps here and they have an Aufenthaltserlaubnis (permission to stay), which they have to carry with them. They are allowed out of the camps, but they must stay within the area of the camp (E.g. if you are in a camp in Munich, you can't travel to visit friends in Hamburg), unless you get an extra travel permit, which has a time limit.
As to the draconian use of secret lists, where does it end? Without oversight it can be extended to suit their needs - what next? Close the accounts of all smokers? Recind driving licenses for people who drive cars over 5 years old?
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MrStevenRogers
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 | | | | big_D wrote: Why can you only do this, once you leave the EU?
ID cards are required in many EU lands. It has always been UK citizens that were against an ID card. I was all for it, back at the end of the 90s and the beginning of the 2000s, but the majority of the UK wanted nothing to do with ID cards, too big brother... No you have Big Brother without the ID cards.
Here, in Germany, you need an ID card (Personalausweis) or your passport + Anmeldeformular (the certificate you get when you register you place of residence with the local council). If you are trying to get work, you need both of those plus a Work Permit (Arbeitserlaubnis), if you come from outside the EU. Customs & Excise (Zoll) make regular checks of many types of business (restraunts, building sites, some shops, nursing homes etc.) to check all the employees are a) properly employed and not being paid cash-in-hand (Schwarzarbeit, black-work) and b) that they are either German/EU or have a valid work permit.
If you don't have a work permit, you will be arrested and the employer will get a big fine.
Refugees are assigned to camps here and they have an Aufenthaltserlaubnis (permission to stay), which they have to carry with them. They are allowed out of the camps, but they must stay within the area of the camp (E.g. if you are in a camp in Munich, you can't travel to visit friends in Hamburg), unless you get an extra travel permit, which has a time limit.
As to the draconian use of secret lists, where does it end? Without oversight it can be extended to suit their needs - what next? Close the accounts of all smokers? Recind driving licenses for people who drive cars over 5 years old? | | | | |
HRA and EU charter of fundamental rights. both have only given villains a charter that they can hide behind and a get out of jail card free for the illegals. plus the added bonus of no EU court interfering with British law ...
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big_D
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If that were the case, other EU countries would also not be able.to do it.
Lookingg at the UK from the outside, it is often the case, that the UK government won't do something or they won't let others do something, then blame it on the EU.
For a long time, farmers were told that there were no subsidies or that they weren't entitles to them, then the government would moan about what a bad deal the EU was, whilst cashing a fat refund for unused subsidies, to offset central government debt.
If other countries a have been using ID cards and special restrictions for immigrants, it can't be a problem with the EU.
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MrStevenRogers
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EU laws over rides British law, EU courts over ride British courts.
not for much longer ...
does any body require a source for that ? ...
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big_D
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You argument doesn't make any sense. Other countries in the EU, following the same EU directives, can implement local laws that allow them to deal with problems like this sensibly, yet the UK says they can't deal with the problem, because the EU won't let them? Something doesn't add up there.
That being the case, why hasn't the UK implemented similar laws to other EU countries? They also have to follow EU directives (not laws) in putting in place their own laws. And on occassion, they have rejected those directives as being unconstitutional and have taken them to the EU courts and won.
On the other hand, where the UK Government has been overzealous (RIPA anyone?), the EU has taken them to court for abusing the rights of UK citizens and ignoring the EU Human Rights' Charter.
You can't blame the UK's incompetence in implementing ways of dealing with illegals on the EU, when other EU countries can work effectively within the restrictions of the EU directives at combating the problem.
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You're talking complete and utter bollocks. Don't need to cite a source for that, you're the source of all the cr@p you're making up
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MrStevenRogers
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i must be hitting the mark. i may have to change my name to Mr Steven Nigel Farage Rogers ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_o ... _Union_lawhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Justiceand last but not least ... | | | | Quote: 17. Declaration concerning primacy
The Conference recalls that, in accordance with well settled case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union, the Treaties and the law adopted by the Union on the basis of the Treaties have primacy over the law of Member States, under the conditions laid down by the said case law.
The Conference has also decided to attach as an Annex to this Final Act the Opinion of the Council Legal Service on the primacy of EC law as set out in 11197/07 (JUR 260):
'Opinion of the Council Legal Serviceof 22 June 2007
It results from the case-law of the Court of Justice that primacy of EU law is a cornerstone principle of Union law. According to the Court, this principle is inherent to the specific nature of the European Community. At the time of the first judgment of this established case law (Costa/ENEL,15 July 1964, Case 6/641 (1) there was no mention of primacy in the treaty. It is still the case today. The fact that the principle of primacy will not be included in the future treaty shall not in any way change the existence of the principle and the existing case-law of the Court of Justice.
(1) It follows (...) that the law stemming from the treaty, an independent source of law, could not, because of its special and original nature, be overridden by domestic legal provisions, however framed, without being deprived of its character as Community law and without the legal basis of the Community itself being called into question.'
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paulzolo
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There was the whole Phorm thing too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorm#Eur ... over_PhormIf the EU had not stepped in to protect our privacy, this could have gone on to a full product. Our government was just not having anything to do with policing this on its own. The problem we have is that unchecked, this country seems quite happy to let governments and businesses (both local and from abroad) ride roughshod over us. We need something to balance and check such things, and the EU is pretty damn hot on this kind of thing, and is not afraid to intervene when it sees there is a problem.
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MrStevenRogers
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that is not my statement. my statement was ... the reply was ... i therefore placed my case in my above post ...
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