Yet another "science-based" argument against something that may or may not be true. "Facts" are a loose concept, but I don't suppose anybody here want's to debate philosophy. Empiricism isn't the only way to look at things. Even if it was, Dave has conducted experiments and found there to be some correlation between EMR and disturbed sleep.

No need for the Telegraph to rant "we're right, you're wrong". At least, I don't think so.

Big D has conducted an experiment that without cooberation is just anecdotal. Assign it a double blind methadology so no one involved knows if the wifi source is on and you get the same response then we a case and if it can be repeated by others then you have support for a hypothesis to become a theory. in cases like this then the scientific process is the most sound way of determining if there is something going on and if here is how significant it is.

^^^i'm similar. I sleep better if the mobile and wifi are switched off.

Science schmience. If the guy doesn't like wi-fi, so be it. He's evidently not the only one. Do I need a white paper on that? No. The fact that newspapers are arguing the toss is just silly.

I have no problem with the guy possibly being allergic to wifi. What I would have a problem with is if he suddenly started campaigning to get it changed/banned or moaned at me that my wifi connection was harming him in some way.

As stated above, science is the only way you're going to prove this either way, and the Telegraph raises an interesting point - if these people claim to be harmed by wifi, why aren't they so-harmed by mobile phones and similar technology?

Different bandwidth, amplitude etc. I'd guess.
If it is proven as being a legitimate affect, and perhaps becomes more common as the air gets filled with more e-smog, then what do we do? If a member of your family was affected would you still say 'tough, I need to sit on the sofa to read my email'?

One theory is the modulation of the signal, and remember that some people are also effected by mobiles.

There have been genuine trials using modulated microwaves to change people's moods, and there is little doubt that it does indeed work. The military results don't seem to be widely available, but here's some civilian research data:



reference: http://www.emf-portal.de/viewer.php?l=e&aid=17310

I have a wireless router and DECT phone about 15 feet from my bed, by the phone-line. I also have another wi-fi router in my bedroom at the foot of my bed. All are on 24/7.

I sleep with my phone either on the bedside cabinet, or under my pillow. My phone is connected to both the wi-fi and 3G network, and polls for e-mails every 10 minutes IIRC.

There is next to no insulation between me and next door, and I know it's their office next to my bedroom. They have a DECT phone in there, and most likely a wi-fi router.

I definitely don't get effected!

I've never heard of anyone who thinks that they do, except for a few weirdos on the telly who sleep in mesh coffins and stuff. I seem to remember there was a similar story about powerlines???? Was that ever proven one way or another?

I think it's quite widely accepted now that power lines are a probable cancer risk in addition to several other harmful effects, but in general the number of related deaths is far too small to worry about.


Source: http://www.midtod.com/9603/voltage.phtml

More recently: http://www.microwavenews.com/XRCC1.html

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromag ... al_hazards

Which part of they only found out which nights it was on, once we compared our diaries, after 2 weeks meant that they knew beforehand which nights it was switched on?

Unless they had scanning hardware which you did not know about. In a test like this, there needs to be removal of all doubt, which is why I’m sceptical about what you have found. To fully determine if they ARE sensitive to the router, you would need to decamp them to a controlled environment and do a blind test, and determine if their chances of detecting the EMR are more than just chance. You’d also need a control group. Your story is anecdotal, but very open to abuse on their part.

It could be anything causing the nausea and cramps - diet, too much time out in the sun, an underlying medical condition that has yet to be diagnosed and I would have trouble believing the Daily Mail on anything remotely scientific.