The crime wasn't committed "by proxy" the "alleged crime" WAS absolutely committed in the UK!
As to the time. US law, and this new fangled "Patriot Act" law simply doesn't work like that! The "tariff" (number of years of clink)is a matter of 'negotiation'. It inevitably starts at some ludicrous figure, and is then beaten-down. Courts rarely award what prosecutors ask for (you've watched "Law and Order" surely? ). However where foreign citizens are involved, and where said citizens haven't got shedloads of cash they are very liable to do the full monty timewise. "They can't vote, and nor can their relatives and anyhoo lets teach them varmitnts a lesson" seems to be the attitude....So that seems unfair.




My whole point is that THIS is my country, and as a British citizen (like Mr McKinnon) I want to be subject to our laws not foreign ones. Our country has a duty to protect me (and you, and everyone else) from this kind of unreasonable jeopardy wherby we are subject to the whims of a foreign jurisdiction. It is clear that the USA is mainly "grandstanding" in this case, which makes it worse.

The crime was commited here, the CPs just refused to put him on trial here and then it was decided that he should be handed over to the Americans. His actions of misuing his computer as defined under UK law happened here in the UK first. his action of hacking into the Pentagon happend later.

i believe they should put him on trail here to see, by judicial review with a jury of his peers, to see if there is a case to answer

only if the case, by the above, found him guilty should any extradition be allowed …

Good. He admitted doing it, so he should go there to stand trail. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
I hate lawyers who try to claim mental illness to get guilty people off.
The PC's/networks he hacked were in America, so he should be tried there.

Correction, he admitted doing it, and therefore since he broke UK law he should be tried here. The only reason the CPS aren't pressing charges is because HMG want to give McKinnon to the US as some sort of favour.

Since when does the CPS refuse to pursue a prosecution when the suspect admits guilt? It's a farce.

That's a good point - someone pleading guilty is about the only hope the CPS ever have. And they could still cock that up I reckon

More positively however, they're pretty sure they can prove now that water's wet

No, the PC's were in America so he should be tried there.
If I made a parcel bomb, sent it to America and killed (say) four people. Would you expect me to be tired here or there? There obviously. It's no different in this case. He only wants to be tried here as we have pathetically small sentences for things like this. He knew he was breaking the law (both ours and teh Yanks) when he did this. Why can he possibly thing he should answer for his crimes.

That's such utter rubbish. I'm sorry but it is. Curious to know where you stand on the Natwest Three then? They broke UK law too, shouldn't they be tried in Britain?

I probably break US laws every day, but I am a BRITISH man residing in the UNITED KINGDOM, British law applies, end of.

As for the parcel bomb, I'd expect you to serve time here for breaking UK law (abuse of the postal system), and then we can talk about you going to America for trial for murder.

But then you'd be committing those crimes in the UK. He technically committed them in the USA. That's the physical location of where the crime took place.
I just don't get why this guy is getting peoples sympathy.

So you agree I should be tried in America. By that logic you should say that this guy should be tried in both countries, here for hacking and there for the damage he caused.

He gets mine because even though he admitted to breaking UK law, the government leant on the CPS to not press charges. This meant he could be freely sent to America. This is a travesty and a miscarriage of justice.

He also gets my sympathy because the extradition treaty we have with the US is completely unbalanced and even though British prosecutors must present a solid case to get hold of a US citizen, the US authorities not even need demonstrate an answerable case to get hold of a British citizen.

That and the fact that the US turn down so VERY MANY more extradition requests than Britain does.

TBH if I was in Number 10, I'd tear the whole thing up.

BBC News Headline:
Hacker mother appeals to Obama
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8179059.stm)

Obama’s comment: Hmm, yeah, She’s a mighty fine handsome woman. (imagine your own stereotypical accent)

I can't see Obama granting a pardon, not until the end of his second term anyway.

You're thinking of Bill Clinton, surely? Obama's the one who's happily married