Management rarely takes the fall if things get FUBAR
"You're born, you take [LIFTED]. You get out in the world, you take more [LIFTED]. You climb a little higher, you take less [LIFTED]. Till one day, you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what [LIFTED] even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son."

Must depend on the person then. I for one, could not shirk responsibility guilt-free. If I was the team leader/manager I'd most certainly feel responsible. I'm not one for making excuses.

Awww.... Idealism - how cute.

Good luck.

Heh. Been there, done that.

I think it's like teaching, some people can teach, others may know the subject inside out but not be able to engage with others to pass on the knowledge.
I've had managers who are only there to go up, and I've had other managers who have the attitude "I'd like to go up, but I'm here to do a job, so lets get on with it". The latter kind is a lot more supportive I've found, they will help you because you are helping them, they know the trade to some extent though perhaps not to quite the extent you do.

My supervisor and partner used to be a union representative and as such should have gone all out for the staff members. However, now he is a supervisor, his attitude appears to be "you know you have to work shifts" and "you're getting paid, aren't you?" and doesn't seem to give a toss that I have a genuine grievance in respect of my shift work.

He's being slowly indoctrinated into "management"

Well most can. When it comes to the crunch people will do anything for an easy life which forces them to do the most abhorrently selfish things.


Howd the T shirt fit.



How much [LIFTED] does he get if he doesn't cover the shifts.

Covering the shifts is nothing to do with him. We have an entire department to f*** that up!

The problem I have is with the amount of extra weekend work I am getting- not just me but I'm the only one starting a grievance AFAIK. Although I only get three days off with the family (during school time) in 47 days, he thinks that's just tough!

Is that 3 days off in total? If so thats got to be in breach of the working time directive or so close its unbelievable!

Totally agree when I did my second degree ( catering management ) I was also a management trainee and over 3 years held down every job in a hotel from barman, to chambermaid to receptionist to commis chef ( I also had to qualify as a chef ). The result was by the time I took on a management position I really knew what my team were doing and how to do it myself.

Its called leading by example I think.

Last year at a hotel staff reunion one of my old staff from 20 years ago commented that i was actually the only manager he ever met who really knew what he was talking about and was prepared to roll his sleeves up and help.

No, no, no.

If I work weekends on both of my relief weeks, from the Monday immediately after one weekend off, to the Friday before another weekend off, I work on five out of six weekends. 2 in, 1 off, 2 in and one Saturday. From the weekend before this period, to the weekend after this period is 47 days where I get only 3 weekend days off where the children are not in school.

As is the case, this coming Sunday, if one or both of my kids have a commitment on the weekend that I am off, this is another day that we can't do anything as a family.

Quite. I can just about remember it

I live by the old motto:

I do find it sad, however, that in order to accomplish anything, one frequently has to around management than through them.