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teachers to be chastised for thier private lives
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eddie543
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http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx? ... =149515305What ridiculous proposals these are:  |  |  |  | Quote: The code is due to be implemented next month but posters have now been distributed to every school urging teachers to sign the petition, the union said. The code of conduct tells teachers to "maintain reasonable standards in their own behaviour that enable them to maintain an effective learning environment and also to uphold public trust and confidence in the profession". However, an introduction to the instructions says: "The code sets out expectations of reasonable standards of behaviour but does not limit a teacher's right to a private life." Chris Keates, general secretary of the NASUWT, said: "The NASUWT is deeply concerned about the content of the code. It is riddled with vague statements which are open to wide interpretation and abuse, putting the careers and jobs of teachers and headteachers at risk. It is unnecessarily long, littered with pious statements, conflicts with contractual provisions and intrudes into private lives. "Teachers and headteachers must of course behave in a professional manner, but the code has unreasonable expectations about how they should conduct themselves. We also have serious concerns about how the consultation which led to this code was conducted. It was fundamentally flawed in a number of respects. Nothing in this code will raise or enhance the status and standing of the profession. The code should be withdrawn and a fundamental review undertaken of what constitutes an effective code of conduct and practice." Keith Bartley, chief executive of the GTCE, denied the code was too intrusive. "It is a well-established principle that individuals have a duty to uphold the reputation of their chosen profession [but] we are absolutely explicit that the code does not in any way intrude into teachers' private lives." "Personal misconduct outside school would only be drawn to the GTC's attention if the alleged behaviour were serious enough to warrant dismissal. Provided behaviour is legal and private, this is a matter for individuals but the GTC will assess any behaviour that may damage the ability of the individual to fulfil their role because it has become public."
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Another antiseptic governing measure to make us an antiseptic society. (sorry for souning like the daily mail but this is simply disgusting)
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:13 am |
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big_D
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Any link to what the code of conduct says?
The principle is sensible, teachers should be setting an example for students, not smoking dope or having affairs with 6th formers... But wether the code of conduct is actually needed as a document and what it actually says are a different matter.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:40 am |
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eddie543
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:44 am |
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bobbdobbs
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So how long before a teacher is sacked because of the code and how long before a teacher gets a huge payout because its been incorrectly applied?
"You have the right to a private life unless we decide its against what we think these rules say so." "your actions behaviour may be legal and appropriate but we dont like them so..."
There is plenty of scope in those regulations for good teachers to be victimised and hounded out of the profession. I expect many cases to appear in Private Eye in the near future.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:54 am |
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paulzolo
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This last part of section 8 seems to be a very carefully worded “catch all” clause. If you are teaching in a church school (or indeed any faith school), there is a whole load of other baggage that comes along with that too. Some of which could cause conflict with these clauses:  |  |  |  | Quote: Act appropriately towards all children and young people, parents, carers and colleagues, whatever their socio-economic background, age, gender, sexual orientation, disability, race, religion or belief.
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Help children and young people to understand different views, perspectives, and experiences and develop positive relationships both within school and in the local community. |  |  |  |  |
will tally with those schools which are populated by pupils from a background with a pretty rigid and fundamental outlook and regard other religions as bad or evil. I know of a CofE school which has a vociferous minority who seem to call the shots on matters of religion (Creationism turning up is only a matter of time, I fear). Other faith schools will no doubt have similar groups of parents poisoning their particular wells.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:27 am |
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Linux_User
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Says who? If a teacher isn't doing anything illegal (which excludes dope smoking but not affairs) then it's not the business of either the state nor the school frankly. I believe we already have similar expectations of the military and the Police (which is one thing), but expecting ordinary civilians to uphold this [LIFTED] is ridiculous.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:19 pm |
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AlunD
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As long as its not flaunted and doesn't effect the time they are paid to work I can't see how you could hope to make this work.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:23 pm |
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F_A_F
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Can't they sort out the parents first, without attacking trained professionals? All the little f**k-ups I've ever known about were invariably f**ked-up by their own parents....
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:53 pm |
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big_D
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I didn't say they couldn't have affairs, just they shouldn't be bonking pupils on the side... As long as the affair doesn't become public knowledge and cause problems at the school... I think having an affair is reprehensible and not excusable, but each to their own, as long as it isn't public. I agree the state should keep their noses out of private matters, in general, but if the teachers are flaunting their lifestyle choices before pupils and bringing the school into disrepute, something will need to be done. Having it clearly worded, what is expected of them, isn't a bad idea... We had a similar set of guidelines when I was working as a consultant - from the normal ways of presenting yourself to the client, to things like not eating spicy food the night before meeting with a client! As long as the guidelines are sensible, I don't think it is a big problem - the state doesn't need to pry, but if the teacher does something which is considered "gross misconduct", at least it is in clear black-and-white and they were forewarned that doing something ethically stupid - like getting caught smoking a joint behind the bike sheds - then there really isn't any comeback.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:15 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Quite. If it isn't compulsory and they discipline someone due to it they'll be asking for a employment tribunal to drop on them from a stratospheric height and and I very much doubt they can make it compulsory without an equally long and damaging human rights court case. The very idea you can make someone's behaviour when not on the job limited by what they're supposed to do when they are on the job is ludicrous. Maybe you could push it if the job involved wearing a distinctive uniform then you could restrict someone's behaviour if they were wearing the uniform at the time but otherwise it's just not a goer. Can you just imagine what would happen if they applied the same logic to MPs? There'd be none lef.... err hold on, I've got an idea... Jon
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bobbdobbs
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They floated that idea but decidied it would be unworkable and would be against their human rights.  So its ok for teachers but not for MP's... go figure!
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:01 pm |
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AlunD
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LMAO the temptation is huge 
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okenobi
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Since when are teachers "having affairs" or practising any other socially unacceptable behaviour and then flaunting it in front of their students? I've yet to hear about that. Why there needs to be a document to enforce people keeping their private lives private, is beyond me. Kev's right, parents first, then society will follow and teachers won't need to be therapists and babysitters too.
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Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:19 pm |
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big_D
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My point exactly. As long as the guidelines follow common sense, I can't see the problem with them. At least the teachers have some idea of what they will be held responsible for... It has been a standard feature of many contracts with companies I've worked for... I don't think there was such a need for this in the past. I have a feeling that this is more for younger generations coming into teaching, as opposed to older generations. I would link this to the similar stories about under 25s having problems finding jobs because of pictures and information they have shared on social networking sites... It seems that a lot of the younger generation coming out of school don't know the difference between right and wrong or what is morally acceptable behaviour, especially in an environment where they are either acting as a role model or representing their company to others.
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LaptopAcidXperience
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Hopefully it will be used to get muslims and gays out of teaching.
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