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BNP could appear on Question Time
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paulzolo
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:08 am |
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adidan
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Please yes. The more people that hear the crap they spout the more likely undecideds will choose not to vote for them.
Often when they have got any sort of position they lose them as soon as another election comes around once people realise what they are like.
Letting them speak is the best way to get them to dig their own grave. Gagging them will just fuel support.
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pcernie
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We can't have it both ways unfortunately, they're 'democratically elected representatives' as our local terrorist/MP/MLA/councilor sh1tebags are fond of reminding us Of course, that proves nothing, except to say that there's a significant amount of people out there willing to vote for scumbags of every hue They only get away with it cos the mainstream politicians are/appear so ineffectual...
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Linux_User
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It would help if Britain actually had a coherent policy and approach to immigration. I think Nick Clegg makes the case better than I do, he suggests a three-stage plan:  |  |  |  | Nick Clegg wrote: First and foremost, the system must work. We must have rigorous border controls with entry and exit checks. We can only adopt liberal policies within Britain, if we first know who is coming in and out. The government's alternative of identity cards and endless intrusive biometric checking is both less liberal and less workable. We must also prioritise resources to track down and stop the people traffickers that cause misery to countless vulnerable women, children and refugees every year.
Second, we must plan for the effects of immigration on public services, housing and the economy. In particular, we need to focus on areas where population changes have been the fastest. At the moment there is an unacceptable three-year time lag between population changes in local areas and corresponding changes in the allocation of Government grants to local authorities. Such inefficient centralisation leads directly to greater public anxiety about immigration.
Finally, we must focus on integration alongside immigration. From tackling segregation in schools to increasing English language courses, we need to make it easier for people to come together in our communities. Most controversially, we need to do something to tackle the growing underclass of illegal immigrants who live and work in the UK but have no rights, no legal protections, and no access to services. |  |  |  |  |
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 02774.htmlSegregated communities help no-one and cause fear. It's this fear and the lack of adequate response from the government that is creating an environment that's ripe for the BNP to grow in. The Tories and Labour are shying away from the immigration issue, and until they tackle people's concerns head-on, the BNP will only gain more support.
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jonbwfc
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You cannot have free speech only for the people who say what you like. That's not how it works. The Voltaire quote still applies. As long as they aren't actually telling people to commit acts that are illegal, they should be allowed to stand. if they stand and people vote for them, then they have a right to be heard. These are the rules we have. They are good rules. They've been good rules for thousands of years. It would be an act of incredible arrogance to disregard these rules simply because somebody doesn't conform to our own tastes.
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:50 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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agreed … i may not agree with anything they state but i will defend, to the death, the right to state it …
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okenobi
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I might bother to watch if they make an appearance. Could make for an interesting debate. Although I suspect it'll just be a shouting match.
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:16 pm |
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gavomatic57
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Let them, see how long they last before the someone from the film crew beats them with a boom mic!
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JJW009
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That's my general opinion too. Sadly, a lot of people are taken in by their shallow propaganda. I can't imagine them looking good in a proper debate though, so let them argue their case the best they can. Saying "It makes sense, doesn't it?" only works as a punchline if you're talking to a fool; or if you're right. I don't think they're right, and hopefully someone will have the smarts to prove it in front of a live audience. I'll be interested in how they perform. I think some of them may be more intelligent than most of us would credit, but I do so hope to see them crushed. Of course, I doubt most of their supporters have even heard of Question Time. They'll mostly be watching the topless weather girl mud wrestling drunken poker match on Sky 180. Mind you, so would I given a choice 
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veato
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I dont like the BNP but we cant bend the rules to suit us. Each party is allowed a voice and the BBC is supposed to remain impartial. Anyway if they start spewing nonsense on the TV maybe more will see this so called political party for what they are, racist idiots.
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:59 am |
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okenobi
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I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the outpouring of hate here for the BNP. Is nobody actually genuinely interested to learn more about them? I don't agree with their racist policies, but I've never taken the time to hear about those policies from the party itself. Also, even if once I've done that, I still don't agree - does that mean they automatically have nothing else of value to say? I guess part of me is disappointed, but at the same time, this reaction is probably mild compared with the one the old place would've given 
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:49 am |
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adidan
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Disappointed? Why? I mean, a majority of reactions have been to agree to let them go on TV.
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:11 am |
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okenobi
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Yeah, just so they can embarrass themselves or just raise awareness of how crap they are. Maybe they have something of value to say. I just sometimes forget how the lack of balance here often winds me up.
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:40 am |
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adidan
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Where you see lack of balance, I see difference of opinion. Sure, I want more people to see how shallow the BNPs ideology is, however, I also want them to show up members of the main parties as to how shallow their policies are. I think that is why, this morning, a Labour MP was saying that the BNP shouldn't appear and the Lib Dem MP was saying that they should. Take a guess at which one is running scared as they've only been trained in spin rather than given any oratorical skills. I believe not many of the panelists will come up smelling of roses if the BNP do appear.
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:55 pm |
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jonbwfc
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There is definitely the point that the BNP essentially have nothing to lose. I seriously doubt there would be many people around who would be thinking of voting for the BNP who would be put off doing so by an appearance on Question Time. They don't strike me as being that sort of party with that sort of voter. They are thus in the position of asking some frankly bloody awkward questions of the main parties, most of whom seem to have spent the last few years in total paralysis of saying anything controversial at all in case they upset someone. Now we should have a press/media to do that but it's equally true that in the last decade or so they've become either entirely politicised (and therefore untrustworthy) or equally terrified of upsetting anyone so they generally don't do enough proper journalism - the expenses scandal really wasn't that hard to dig up yet look how much damage it caused. In essence, putting the BNP on question time would be (proverbially) putting the cat among the pigeons and just once in a while, that's exactly what politics needs. Jon
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