A ot of American TV shows have run story lines around swine flu and similar diseases, where somebody who didn't get the jab / didn't get their kids vaccinated were arrested for murder, because somebody at work / school died as a result...

In some States, they've actually banned pupils and students from attending school/college unless they are vaccinated - and it is illegal to withhold the child from school.

One State passed a law, where authorities can gain access to a property of somebody not vaccinated and force a healthworker to vaccinate the person against their will.

Given the adjuvant seems to have a higher mortality rate than Swine Flu (at the moment), it just goes to show how much a government can scare their citizens into doing things. I'm waiting for the announcement that it came out of a lab in Iran...

The jab has a lot of mercury in it. Mercury is not good for you. I wonder if they might try mandatory vaccination in the UK, even though the gov have said they wouldn't, unless it was an emergency ? What does everyone else think ?

..and Big D. you post is worrying ! Sounds like something off a film !

I have spoken to my girlfriend and she is just recovering from Swine Flu. She will be getting the jab because it can re occur. I do not think that I am in a high category but I am able to cope indoors if infected. So will not bother my doctor about it.

So what are the chances of them making this mandatory, if that possible/likely do you think ?

I think that the costs will be a reason for not making it mandatory till it is really necessary. Once there is a critical number infected then it will happen, because an epidemic will become likely. Until then only high risk groups will be offered it.

If the Lisbon treaty is signed, they can theoretically section people under the mental heqlth act for not getting the jab (just an example of the powers it gives). The WHO also changed what a pandemic is, from the number of deaths on different continents to just infections on different continents.

Glaxo and a couple of other drug companies had their stooges in the WHO groupbwhich is pushing through mandatory jabs.

Can anyone say big drug company conspiracy?

I'm not sure how the dots join up but it is worrying.

I don't think that's any different to current powers afforded to Doctors whereby they can act against your wishes id you're not deemed capable of making decision for yourself.

Its hard to research this stuff on the 'net because you invariably run into the tin foil hat brigade talking about population control. Then there is the thing to make people take the jab, people supposedly will die from the jab, and their death be attributed to swine flu itself, thus making people take it. Make what you will of that, I err on that being nonsense/difficult to implement.

Even if only 2 million people didn't want the jab in the UK, and would refuse it, and the figure is likely to be way higher, it would be extremely difficult to section people / bar people from the workplace, the economy would collapse as if we had ran out of fuel.

Then take the fact that a huge amount of nurses and doctors won't take it, and the figure is alleged to be way higher as some won't say based on their decision clouding any future medical employers suitability criteria, in other words, some health trusts requiring staff to be immunised.

Analysis of the jab has concluded it contains a large dose of mercury. A dose supposedly safe for a 550lb man over the course of a lifetime. Knowing that, not sure why anyone would welcome it.

Have you got sources for this? I mean proper, reliable ones as my current thinking is that I may want to talk to my GP or who ever at my GP practice can advise on such matters. I would want to take copies of these to show them for comment, so Captain Panic’s Conspiracy Emporium won’t cut it. I want to know what the bigger risk is - me having the jab, or me having swine flu.

Paul, I would base any decision on the amount of Doctors and Nurses refusing the jab then try and find out what exactly is in it. If it does really have a lot of mercury in it, its not a great idea. That and the fact that the pharma firms have supposedly got stuff through court to prevent anyone suing them. Plus, why all the fuss ? 100 odd dead ? Compared to Thousands a year from normal flu and the Flu in Winter 99-00 killed loads more than that.

While I may have brain damage which gives me amnesia I am able to make decisions for myself. I am just not in a high risk group. If it were on offer to all, and advised that we take it then fine. Though I would expect governments to give it to only those at the highest risk for cost reasons.

Just google Aluminium Salt Adjuvant side effects, there are plenty of articles out there. Working out the serious from the not so serious can be problematic though.

I meant to say alleged, I haven't read the Lisbon treats... But basically the governments can call people unsocial and get them certified if they don't conform to government policy - in this case getting injections.

The other thing I forgot in my last post was the law passed earlier this year, which removes the right of US citizens to sue the government or the pharma companies, if they should suffer side effects from the vaccine!

True, but on a practical level that will never happen. Well, considering I know of a number of Psychologists and Psychiatrists who will not touch the vaccination with a barge poll I don't think there will be anybody around who will be in a position to section anyone after they've been sectioned.

I was discussing this with a friend earlier today, even all the scaremongering tactics in the world wouldn't make everyone want it. Even if just 3 million people refused it, hell of a lot of people to try and control and the effect of those people being told not to travel, go to work etc would bring the country to a standstill.

Some people will have an adverse reaction to this jab, could be hundreds if not more, i'll bet this will be the next thing, people's problems with having taken the vaccine.

Well, consider the fact that in many cases, such as my friend's, people have caught swine flu and their Doctor has advised them not to take Tamiflu because the medication side effects are worse than the flu itself.

I was mistaken in my media led assumption that all of the US was in fear. I watched Russia Today and on the streets of New York the general population, in the main, weren't considering the vaccination due to not wishing to be guinea pigs for pharmaceutical companies, already having it and recovering, and generally not wishing to succumb to media hype.