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leeds_manc
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Assassin8or
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Sign up for an account and have a read If you had even bothered to look into the books that I suggested you would realise that one of them is a do it yourself guide to picking up women. Day one, speak to people and look them in the eye. etc. There are rules about how many people you have to do this to and what can and can't be considered as passing the mission. Such as it has to be starting meaningless conversation. You can't just pass the day's mission by buying something and saying thanks. Basically, you're making assumptions when you're lacking the information that you could have easily found out for yourself with a quick search on the internet. Women do this, and they don't know that they do it. I'm making assertions based information provided by educated individuals with background and experience in the field of social dynamics and evolutionary psychology. I can say that, if you are a normal, healthy, homo-sapien, that you have two arms, two legs a head with two eyes and two ears. You have a set of teeth which are designed for both consumption of meat and non-meat products. I can also assert that if hungry that you will seek food and if cold you will seek shelter. I can also make more specific assertions about your behaviour, such as that if caught off guard an someone was to dangle something soft a flexible over your shoulder close to your nuck that you might mistake such a thing for a snake. Now why would a large proportion think such a thing, in their home or office environment? Because predators of our ancestors were snakes. You have no choice over whether you react and think in such a way because it is built into the brain structure of the human species, just as certain behaviours are built into both the males and females of the species regarding courtship. You seem to be very closeted in your thinking. I might ask how you think that women are treated in Iran for example? You're closeted in your nice little comfortable social environment, yet you have no idea how fragile this environnment is. It may not even exist for the whole of your life span. I never consider women to be inferior to me, it is just a little psychological trigger to determine something that you wish to know. You're forgetting that women are very fickle creatures. They may not give you a second look ordinarily, but then you can win them over through conversation with demonstrations of higher value. Okay, people have their own tastes, and so that is not wholly true in absolutely every instance but it is broadly true. If you are truly repugnant for example, it may never be true. If I explain this too you you may go off on one but what the hell.......right, men are designed to be polygamous, and it's only their desire to ensure the successful continuance of their genetic lineage that they will stick around with any particular female. However, factor into this the fact that they will always look around to see if there is a better model, one which might mean that their genes might stand a better chance of survival in the long term. If they tie themselves to any one particular individual, then they might miss out on better chances and opportunities in the future. Thus you have the male 'commitment' issue. Oh and I'll just point out that feelings are the genes way of ensuring their successful continuance, before you all go off on one about feelings and how were not robots. Before you have a relationship you have to have or develop interest. That comes back to the fickleness of women that you can actually make a woman interested in you. The same is not true in reverse unless the woman just wants to get laid and makes it clear that that's the case. I explained above why men are the way that they are and why they act the way that they do. I'm not going to repeat it this post is going to go on long enough as it is. I didn't give advice on having successful relationships, I gave tips on successful dating with the caveat that they should go and read the books, by people a great deal more successful than me[/quote] I have had long term relationships, though not over a year in length, and as to the second, I'm working on dating two girls at the moment (and before you go off on one about that, I'm in the very early stages of meeting them and don't know how I'm going to get on with them long term. When I do know then I'll make it clear that I've met someone to the other party, if it even goes that far). I don't believe in manipulation. Manipulation is making someone do what they otherwise might not want to do. I don't do that, I just make the opportunities for a woman to decide whether she would like to date me or not come about. It is from there that the woman has to make her own mind about me. I am genuinely honest and faithful. I have no interest in mentally screwing over a woman, though I am exceedingly honest, which a lot of women don't like. But I am always extremely honest and if a woman takes it into her head that she can change that, and continues a relationship with me despite that, and she has a problem with it, that is her issue, not mine. You're making out that men always have to lead. That they have to prove themselves first. I misunderstand absolutely nothing about that I agree absolutely. Do unto others that which you will have done unto you. Old and wrinkly doesn't do it for me either. I'm not a 'saggy breasts FTW' kinda guy. ....Sorry, I got a little bored. You seem to think that the woman knows what you're doing on a conscious level but the point is that they shouldn't or else the 'bitch shield' comes out. SOME women. Some women are like that but the majority (based on my experience) are not, they just want a bloke to be open and honest with them, treat them with respect and as an equal. Correct. Yes, it is difficult, but some men and women manage it all the time from a place of no self-esteem and no self-confidence. I'm not saying it's easy (hence the requirement of courage) but it is possible. How many times have you actually approached a man in your life time? And how many times have you been approached? Maybe you're a geordie lass, I don't know, but they're the only women I've heard of that will consistently approach men, and I don't even know if that's just an old wives tale, as I've never been out in Newcastle before.
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Assassin8or
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I laughed  Yeah so is the answer to the question where the universe came from. It was God Bloody lazy answer for people who can't be bothered to use some of that grey matter to question things. 
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Assassin8or
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Don't knock it until you've tried it  ...except anal sex from or to a member of the same sex (unless you're that way inclined). Try telling that to someone who has self esteem and confidence/assertiveness issues. They need to be taught how to be that way as they won't get there without help.
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Nick
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That doesn't seem to be what those books teach, from what you've been saying. 
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Assassin8or
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 No, I meant within the locality of my area of habitation, outside of my house. Erm, have you completely misunderstood my post? The books are a teaching aid. The people that have PMA etc already do a lot of the stuff that they teach. Just as the guys that are really successful in pulling women do most of the stuff they teach, but not on a conscious level. Just as you have to do a set of things to end up in bed with a woman. They teach you what the shortest route with most successful combination of things which will get you there. With muddling through trying to meet those requirements yourself you're not likely to be as successful in that department as someone that does it naturally, or someone who knows how to do the right things in the right sequence from reading about it.
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forquare1
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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Assassin8or, you seem very clinical, very logical, you seem like you like to follow steps (just an observation, not saying it's a bad thing). I wouldn't say women were manipulative, they don't make you dance a certain dance...Some might, possibly the ones you might find in night clubs and the like, they bloody scare me  I was never a very confident person, through school I was very much a head down, stay out of trouble, get on with the work. When I went to uni I had a huge crush on one of my house mates, she would come and talk to me about stuff which would make me silently angry, sad and hurt. She didn't know I liked her, and we grew closer and closer as friends. That said, two years on to now I've been going out with her for a year and a half, my first girlfriend, and I love everything about it, except the few hundred miles between us atm  I didn't do anything special because she was a girl and I liked her, I was terrified of her finding out I liked her. I just sat and listened, offered occasional advice and was generally friendly...I've done this with loads of people, I wasn't dancing a special dance, wasn't doing anything special. Coming back for my second year (we weren't going out at this point), there was some flirting, we shared making dinner (it was easier and cheaper to cook for two), it all ended one night after sharing a bottle of wine when she said she knew there was something wrong with me, half a bottle of wine was in my, and t'other half in her, I told her I liked her, thankfully she said she liked me and the rest is history, children's names have been thought of, plans of where we'd like to live, what the house would be like...As I said, couldn't be happier, and it's been a real confidence boost to me. I didn't follow any pre-defined steps that I knew of, but I know you can't just 'go for it', my mate told me I should have so many times, I was constantly boring him with my plight, but I said to him that I wouldn't ruin a good friendship and that I'd let it run it's course, it ran it's course in my favour this time... I think giving the sweeping generalisation is nieve. I'm a guy, I don't feel that I need to spread my seed as it were. I'm happy where I am, who I'm with. I don't think there are steps, I don't think you can say do 1, 2, 3 and into bed, not with every woman, possibly not with most... Probably meaningless drivel, but I enjoyed writing it 
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Assassin8or
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I maybe mildly autistic, but that's just what a couple of people think. Although one is in particular qualified to make the statement.  |  |  |  | forquare1 wrote: I wouldn't say women were manipulative, they don't make you dance a certain dance...Some might, possibly the ones you might find in night clubs and the like, they bloody scare me  I was never a very confident person, through school I was very much a head down, stay out of trouble, get on with the work. When I went to uni I had a huge crush on one of my house mates, she would come and talk to me about stuff which would make me silently angry, sad and hurt. She didn't know I liked her, and we grew closer and closer as friends. That said, two years on to now I've been going out with her for a year and a half, my first girlfriend, and I love everything about it, except the few hundred miles between us atm  I didn't do anything special because she was a girl and I liked her, I was terrified of her finding out I liked her. I just sat and listened, offered occasional advice and was generally friendly...I've done this with loads of people, I wasn't dancing a special dance, wasn't doing anything special. Coming back for my second year (we weren't going out at this point), there was some flirting, we shared making dinner (it was easier and cheaper to cook for two), it all ended one night after sharing a bottle of wine when she said she knew there was something wrong with me, half a bottle of wine was in my, and t'other half in her, I told her I liked her, thankfully she said she liked me and the rest is history, children's names have been thought of, plans of where we'd like to live, what the house would be like...As I said, couldn't be happier, and it's been a real confidence boost to me. I didn't follow any pre-defined steps that I knew of, but I know you can't just 'go for it', my mate told me I should have so many times, I was constantly boring him with my plight, but I said to him that I wouldn't ruin a good friendship and that I'd let it run it's course, it ran it's course in my favour this time... Probably meaningless drivel, but I enjoyed writing it  |  |  |  |  |
You don't know which steps you took because you don't know what they are. You obviously met her requirements. However, I ask you how many people leave uni single, not in a relationship or not having had any relationship in their time there?
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Assassin8or
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 |  |  |  | Code: The DiCarlo Escalation Ladder is a step-by step formula, followed by a number of laws which govern it's use for maximum effect.
It is designed to provide a smooth escalation, containing no significant jumps that may cause a woman to object. At the same time, the DEL contains no extraneous steps which are non-essential to the seduction process. This results in a FAST escalation sequence which is compatible with a variety of verbal structures, and has been field tested and perfected by myself, Vincent DiCarlo, in hundreds of trials.
Without further marketing, hype or other bullsh*t, I present... the DiCarlo Escalation Ladder!
1. Eye Contact and Initial Conversation Eye contact is the first step. It's use shows social awareness and always improves your chances of starting a conversation. Start your conversational game shortly after eye contact.
2. Incidental Class 1 The first class of incidental kino involves the arms and hands. Shaking hands, tapping people on the shoulder and brushing arms are all very common things that we do on a daily basis. Done in an incidental manner, ie. occurring merely by chance or without intention or calculation, it is extremely effective at building initial comfort.
Incidental Class 1 Examples:
* Hand shaking * Arm brushing * Light touching on her arm to emphasize your points * Anchoring her arm near elbow to hold her close as you talk * Standing next to her with your arm touching hers * High Fives * Palm Reading
3. Overt Class 1 There is an unmistakable recurring pattern throughout the DEL: incidental kino, followed by overt kino. Overt means open to view or knowledge; not concealed or secret. While incidental kino is usually done in a context which masks your intention, overt kino is not. The incidental kino which precedes it creates the familiarity necessary for the overt kino to be accepted.
Overt Class 1 Examples:
* Holding hands * Arm in arm escorting
4. Incidental Class 2 Class 2 kino involves any contact which takes place on her torso or legs. This is slightly more intimate than class 1, but does not include erogenous zones such as her breasts, crotch or inner thighs. Those areas are not paid any direct attention until the escalation ramp - to be defined later.
Incidental Class 2 Examples:
* Standing very close with your legs touching hers * Sitting close together with your legs touching hers * Lightly and incidentally brushing her abdomen with your hands while talking * Briefly touching her back with your palm while speaking as if you are pulling her in to hear you better
5. Overt Class 2 Overt class 2 kino is usually done while sitting down. It's not necessary, but definitely a smart place to make the transition to sitting down. This class of kino should be done in a protective, almost romantic manner.
Overt Class 2 Examples:
* Frontal Hugging (done best as a positive reaction to her compliance) * Escorting her through the bar with your hand on her lower back * Sitting next to her and placing her leg over yours * Holding her abdomen on the side while sitting down and talking * Placing her hand on your thigh
6. Incidental Class 3 Her hair, face and neck are the regions included in class 3. Many guys make the common mistake of touching these areas too soon, with a girl they first met. Girls are surprisingly protective of their hair, face and neck placing these relatively high on the ladder. Another common mistake is that more experienced guys will generally skip this step altogether, only to face last minute resistance later on.
Incidental Class 3 Examples:
* Brushing (or pretending to brush) something off of her face * Talking very closely with your face touching hers because the environment is extremely loud * Touching an interesting neckace she's wearing, meanwhile allowing your fingers to lightly caress her neck * Playfully pinching her cheeks
7. Overt Class 3 The manner in which kino is delivered in overt class 3, is very direct. It is meant to prepare her for kissing, and is done in a very slow, gentle and romantic way. Most of the time you should be sitting down, relaxed and maintaining a good sexual state and strong eye contact.
Overt Class 3 Examples:
* Placing her head to rest on your shoulder * Moving your face into her neck and smelling her * Lightly stroking her face with your finger, close in, looking into her eyes * Running your fingers through her hair, close in, looking into her eyes * Holding her behind the neck with your palm to the side of her neck, looking into her eyes
Escalation Ramp
While the above steps from 1-7 may take anywhere from 30 minutes to 10 hours, the escalation ramp is very rapid. The duration of the ramp should be about 10 - 30 minutes. Start the ramp very quickly once you have complete isolation in a sex location.
8. Kissing Start kissing from a very close proximity. Don't come diving in lips first from three feet away. Ideally you should already be in a suitable position for kissing before you try. If you have overt class 3 kino taken care of, you're probably in the right spot.
A technique for building sexual tension - move closely in, slowly as if you might kiss her, and then move away and start talking about something else. This will build the tension and she will wonder when you're going to actually kiss her.
A technique to initiate kissing - try placing your finger just underneath her chin and pulling her mouth towards yours.
Kissing should be light and short at first. You should be the one to pull away first. Don't use too much tounge at first, just use it to tease her, and build anticipation.
9. Kissing Her Neck Once you have kissed her for a bit, move down to her neck. Kiss it gently, while holding her close to you. Depending on how rough you want to set the mood, feel free to throw in some gentle biting too.
10. Touching the Bare Skin of Her Back Once you have established kissing both on her mouth and neck, move your hands to her waist and underneath her shirt. Continue to hold her close to you, now with your hands directly on her back.
11. Stomach to Stomach Now that you have established touching her skin, below her shirt, simply move your hand to the front, and lift her shirt, exposing only her stomach. At the same time lift your shirt as well so that your abdomen is in direct contact with hers.
It seems innocent, but will meanwhile trigger intense sexual feelings inside of her. The only time she feels contact like that is usually when she's naked and having sex.
12. Kissing her Body Having her shirt pulled up affords the opportunity of moving downwards to kiss and caress the bare flesh of her abdomen. Start kissing her there, along the sides, and move upwards.
Touching and kissing the breasts is optional. It is not necessary, and in some cases can be detrimental to your progress. There are some women who have a negative anchor to their breasts. Inch toward their breasts and feel her reaction. If she becomes increasingly turned on, then go for it. If she starts to close down, skip the breasts until you are already having sex.
13. Incidentally Stimulate Vagina While you are kissing her body, you can position yourself between her legs and use your midsection to rub against her vagina. If you are kissing her mouth you can position your thigh to stimulate her vagina.
You can also be kissing her body and reach between her legs and plant your hand on the bed below her. Then use your forearm to stimulate her vagina. The key here is that because you aren't using your hand or fingers, she has no basis for objection.
14. Direct Vaginal Stimulation from Behind (Inside Panties) Once you have really amped her up by incidentally rubbing her vagina, move your hand around to the back and slip it inside her panties and touch her naked ass.
Next, move your hand all the way down and reach her vagina. Start first by touching the area around it. Then proceed to finger her from behind. Women never expect to have it happen this way. Trying to reach your hand down the front of her pants will often be resisted, but from the rear is unexpected and effective.
If she is wearing a skirt or dress, you will instead move your hand up the back of her leg, and reach her vagina that way. Finger her and then proceed directly to step 16.
15. Direct Vaginal Stimulation in Front
Get her heated up by fingering her, and then when once she is sufficiently turned on, undo the front of her pants with your other hand.
You can use the Situationally Relevant phrase "My hand is being crushed" as you do it, although it's usually not necessary. Since she is engaged by the fact that you are fingering her, she will rarely object to your simultaneous undoing of her pants. You may also have her undo her pants, by saying "Unbutton your pants." as you are fingering her.
Moving to the front, you'll be able to get more penetration with your fingers, and get her to the point where she is practically begging for sex. Use a firm "come-hither" motion pulling forward on the front vaginal wall and stimulating her g-spot.
16. Remove Her Pants, Sex
The idea is to get her so heated up by fingering her, that she makes a commitment to sex, verbally or physically.
There are a few ways to go about this. Firstly, it is very important that you don't stop fingering her before her pants are off. Too many times a guy will stop fingering her, and then try to take off her pants, only to get more resistance.
While fingering her you can say "Do you want me inside you?" Which will usually get a "Yes." response. At that point you say "Ok, take off your pants." and continue to finger her until her panties are off, and she's ready to go.
Another option is to skip the question and directly tell her to take off her pants. Usually with your fingers busy at work, she will be more than compliant.
Another technique is to ask her "Do you want me to get a condom?" In 90% of all girls you ask this, they will say "Yes." Not because they are saying they want sex, but because they want to appear safe and level headed. You will interpret this as the permission to get a condom and have sex with her, and it will most likely be met without opposition. |  |  |  |  |
Edit: That's a little better and forum friendly
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forquare1
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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I would say about 50/50 of the people I know. That ~50% who left without ever being in a relationship, and ~50% who are in one or have been in one...Though I've a year to go so there's always time...
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Electric_Wizard
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Didn't you do an IT course? I'm not sure if that's an accurate cross section of the university population.  Of course I'm joking. I'd say your 50/50 split is pretty accurate.
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leeds_manc
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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Assani8or, I'm going to put this very simply, you've been brain-washed by those books - relationships are very complicated when you try to look for reason and strategy, but the truth is, there is no reason, we've evolved to not explicitly say what we feel (much to Bratty's confusion) but really it's very simple, happy people are seen as nice and attractive, depressed/angry people are seen as awkward and unattractive. How attractive you are is a result of how happy you are, those books teach unhappy people how to paste over their insecurites, they treat the symptoms, if however you face up to the root cause, the confidence issues and depression, then you will naturally do the things which attract people to you, you won't need a book to hide behind. If you love yourself, other people will love being around you.
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mars-bar-man
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You can't 'learn' life through reading books, it simply won't happen, what your reading is someone else'e experiences, everyone has a different one. Really, you can read books on how to become successful in life, such as dabbling in shares, calculating your net worth etc.. but learning how to 'live' it? That's something that only yourself can find out. In all honesty that books a waste of time, space and paper.
I really do hope this is where the thread is going, because if it's not, I'll look like ar$e....
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paulzolo
What's a life?
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I can only imagine the effort needed to execute a planned strategy like that, and the string of failures that it can generate. Not to mention the reputation you’re likely to get.
Far better to be yourself, me thinks. Living a lie to a prescribed set of steps is surely asking for trouble.
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Fri May 01, 2009 6:59 pm |
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forquare1
I haven't seen my friends in so long
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The steps make it sound as if there is no feeling, as if the end result is purely to get into bed... Depends on the girl, not all girls want to be lead to bed then booted out in the morning... Haha, yup  >150 students, about 6 girls...
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