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the majority of the album's brill :D
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Guess we'll have to wait for Jon to disagree with us about dinosaur rock stars :)


Well, since you asked...

Stones/Turner etc may well put on very good gigs, but those gigs also tend to be massively expensive to attend. How much are these kind of 'superstar' gigs going for these days? 80 quid? 100? You know what the result of that is? The audience is wrong. The audience for a Stones gig will be almost as old as they are, since you have to require a huge disposable income to be able to attend and your disposable income generally peaks in your 40's, not your 20's.

I dunno about you but when I was 18 I was a poor student just about being able to feed myself and when I was 21 I was in a job that just about kept my head above water. I couldn't have thrown down 100 quid for a concert ticket even if Elvis and John Lennon had come back from the dead for a one off supergroup mash up. My concerts happened in the dingiest clubs (or... other places) but they were alive and loud and brash and didn't give a damn. Miles away from the corporate tours of the today. What sort of rock band gets sponsored by a mobile phone company? Surely it's Jack Daniels or nobody? 'Sellout' isn't the word. what would the 1970's Iggy Pop say about the 2010 Iggy Pop selling car insurance?

So the 'rock' music you speak of is increasingly the preserve not of the young, the energetic, the frenetically opinionated and hormonally explosive who are the true spirit of all rock/punk/indie. It is the preserve of settled, polite people with kids of their own who are worried about getting home before midnight. It's all about as far from genuine "f!ck you I won't do what you tell me" rock music as I am from Brad Pitt.

Also, what are these groups performing? Largely songs that were written decades ago. How long is it since the Great Touring Rock Bands actually wrote a decent tune? Do Bon Jovi still close their shows with 'Living on A Prayer' then? The great paradox of Rock is that bands generally write great tunes not when they have had years to perfect their craft and are technically proficient but when they are young, hungry, full of adrenaline and excited by the potential of what is to come. When he started, Liam Gallagher was wailing 'Tonight, I'm a Rock and Roll Star' in Manchester basement clubs, getting punched in the face for his troubles and it was genuinely electrifying. 10 years later Noel's living in a nice house in Notting Hill with his actress wife and writing songs complaining about how his life isn't fun any more. Rock? Dear Lord No.

Not that this kind of gentrification is entirely just the preserve of old rockers of course. Liam Hewlett married one of the All Saints, bought a mansion in Surrey and since he did so everything he's done has been god awful. The Prodigy turned from one of the best live bands in existence to (as a friend of mine said as we walked away from one of their gigs) 'The techno version of Slade'. These days he's almost a self parody. The Hartnoll brothers stopped going to raves and started writing film soundtracks.

I can sympathise with people wanting to hold on to the things that make them feel alive. Far be it from me to argue with Dylan Thomas :). But you can't hold onto it for ever and the more you try, the longer you hang on, the more desperate you seem to look.

The basic point is this - Tina Turner or Oasis or whoever may put on great, glossy, expansive shows but they have more in common with Las Vegas cabaret than they do with Rock. Rock isn't about the most lights and the biggest screens, it's about fire in the veins, rebellion in the heart and waking up with a headache next to someone whose name you can't even remember.

No, I'm sorry. It's impossible for music to fulfill the basic function of rock - to upset your parents - if your parents are the ones going to see it and the songs being sung are the ones they remember from when they were 18. It's still great music and it's great entertainment but it it simply isn't Rock.

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Have to agree with Jon, particularly about Bon Jovi, they wrote some catchy tunes, not that I was ever a fan, but they seem to be spewing out this stuff that sounds exactly the same now, even the video looks the same, in it for the money is the phrase that comes to mind. Even though JBJ was on record recently saying he doesn't do it for the money, then my advice to him is stop now, as you are full of ****.

I'd pay good money to see Bowie or Ian Brown they have both evolved and are still making decent stuff, but Oasis are to quote Liam at one of the awards shows (regarding INXS) 'has beens'.


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I rarely go to gigs so it makes little difference to me, and it's not the prices (though they are extortionate), it's just that none of my mates are either into the groups I am or they're broke themselves :lol:

And supposedly the new JBJ album is something of a return to form (the last two were friggin' woeful), but I haven't heard it yet...

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No, I'm sorry. It's impossible for music to fulfill the basic function of rock - to upset your parents
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I didn't know the basic fuction of music was to upset parents. Those views were fine in 1950''s but I think we've moved on a bit since then. In face we've moved on so much since then the music I played as a teenager that DID upset my parents is now happily played on Radio 2.

I thought music was made to bring pleasure to people.... or am I missing something?

As for the rest there's only so many hours in the day, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'd rather say live and let rock than criticize people ;) :shock: :roll:

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No, I'm sorry. It's impossible for music to fulfill the basic function of rock - to upset your parents
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I didn't know the basic fuction of music was to upset parents. :

The basic function of rock music, not all music. I wouldn't quibble with the notion that everyone should have music they can enjoy. Music is one of the few totally guiltless pleasures in life :).

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I would have to purchase the rubbish X-Factor puts out to upset my parents. They are both big Rock fans. Even went to see AC/DC with my dad a few years ago.

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Apparently Steven Tyler is not leaving Aerosmith

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/steve ... aerosmith/

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Apparently Steven Tyler is not leaving Aerosmith

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/steve ... aerosmith/


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D


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james016 wrote:
Apparently Steven Tyler is not leaving Aerosmith

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/steve ... aerosmith/


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D

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"f!ck you I won't do what you tell me"



Oh hell yes. Epic epic song. Thanks for reminding me :)

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jonbwfc wrote:

"f!ck you I won't do what you tell me"



Oh hell yes. Epic epic song. Thanks for reminding me :)


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jonbwfc wrote:

"f!ck you I won't do what you tell me"



Oh hell yes. Epic epic song. Thanks for reminding me :)


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Would seem Tyler hasnt left Aerosmith yet Aerosmith/Perry dont think he is in the band anymore. Maybe they are all back on the heavy class A's again and dont know what day of the week it is. :?


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That's 3 pages of thread that could've been avoided lol

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