The devs of Trials (the bike game) released and seeded a broken game on torrents to encourage people to buy it as it had no leaderboard, which makes sense as it's all about beating your friends

Xbox Boss Defends Anti-Piracy Crackdown

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Busine ... 2368?f=rss



Ah, now it all becomes clear

Haaaaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

Serves em right =p

I've bought every single game I own =) Spent a bog-load of money, but if you want the privilege of having the game then get a job/stop going out and spending all your money on booze etc!

I don't agree with piracy but I can see the point some of the gamers are making.

When it comes to games, music, movies and software you are buying a licence (or a right) to use that product. Therefore I can't see a reason why those who licenced me to use their product shouldn't provide me with a copy of a cd/dvd when I lose my original .Should game might get lost, stolen or damaged I should be able to get another for minimal price to cover manufacturing and postage.

I don't think that those crying about piracy damaging their sales are playing fair so I am not surprised that some people turn to "piracy". I am not being naive, out of hundred pirated games probably only a small number is a backup that somebody made for themselves from a genuine copy they actually bought, but that doesn't mean that companies should be able just to get away with not providing cheap replacements to consumers.

A replacement ('minimal price') Xbox disc for example even without a box would still have some value on eBay. If there was a disc replacement scheme for lost discs I wonder how many would blag it to make a few quid?

you buy a licence to use the product, not to reproduce it. You shouldn't lose your original. You wouldn't copy a watch or a car, yet you would a physical disc.

MS allow you to replace 360 discs if they are scratched from moving the console while the drive is spinning, you have to send in the disc first.



Seriously, the price is the way it is because of pirates, even if no one pirated from now on the cost would stay high due to lost costs from a LOT of companies, as opposed to lost sales from bad budget games they lose sales from the more expensive higher priced games which obviously means they lose out on more money

Look at World of Goo, an indie game, brilliant puzzle game and it was over 90% pirated regardless of whether they charged the RRP or let customers pay their own price, use DRM or not.

When they let people pay what they wanted, a stupid number of people paid less than $1 for a game. There is no respect or value associated with it any more from a lot of people which is a shame as it will drop into a vicious spiral, more people pirating because they want it, have no respect for the people that made it and the price is high, as a result the DRM becomes more vicious, more devs get laid off and the price gets raised to help recoup losses

If it worries you, buy house contents insurance. As far as I'm aware, no other manufacturer will give you a replacement item if you lose the one you have. The duty of care for a thing after you've paid for it is on you, not the people you bought it from.

This is irrelevant anyway - he hadn't bought the games and was worried if they broke, he just didn't feel like paying the market price for them and now he's whining because he can't do it any more. The fact he seems to feel like he's been victimised just shows what an utter moron he is.

Common excuses:

1) I wanted to try it out
2) Its too expensive

Well as Fin said World of Goo was massively pirated yet;

1) The demo gives you plenty of levels to try it out, so excuse 1 doesnt wash with me
2) The full game cost (I believe when I bought it) less than a tenner so excuse 2 doesnt wash with me either

I wonder how many people who pirated World of Goo to save a tenner would happily spend the same on 20 cigs and a pint?

I have to say I did this with borderlands on the PC, I already bought the 360 version (had a pre-order), I wanted to see if the keyboard + mouse was good enough to justify buying it again this time for the PC

Oh I agree. In that case, take DRM off the discs so I can back-up my purchase.

This could be dealt with in the same way the Steam does it. Replacement disk could be linked to only one Live account so nobody else could use. If Steam works I can't see why MS couldn't make their system to work. I am sure they could if they tried hard enough.



1. I shouldn't need to reproduce anything, I should be given a copy so I can use what I paid for
2. Comparing watch or a car with software, game or a movie? Are you serious? Do I even need to start comparing them? Like maybe cost of a disk is 1% of cost of the whole game while cost of a material and labour is maybe 50% of the watch?
3. Maybe I didn't lose, maybe it was stolen from, or my dog chewed it. It doesn't matter anyway. MS exchanging disk is a good start but doesn't go far enough.



Again, if I lose a watch and if I lose a game or software are two entirely different things. How many of you lent or borrow somebody else's install disk for Vista or XP to use with your legit CD key? My guess would be many. So why is it that you can't extend your thinking a one step further to a game or a movie? And I am not buying your "Because you would sell it on Ebay" argument as that could be dealt with the same way as Steam works.

But ok, I will give you an example that will remove all those buts and ifs:

Example:
Everybody has a DVD collection at home. I believe it would be fair if I sent my dvd with a movie I bought five years age to a maker of that movie and he would send me the same movie but on Bluray. Obvious I am willing to reimburse all postage costs, costs of burning that bluray disk and maybe extra remastering of the movie if necessary. So I wouldn't have a copy to sell on Ebay, I will send the legit dvd I bought with a receipt and to make you all happy I didn't lose my original and I looked after it well.

So WHY isn't anybody changing movies I bought on dvd, paid all intellectual rights for and I bought their freaking license?
WHY?

Then you introduce further DRM which a lot of users complain about as it then prevents resale of items



1. You ARE given a copy, if you need more than that buy another licence
2. Yes I am. You aren't reproducing the source code or the 'service' element of writing the game. You are copying the tangible product at the end. Labour may be 50% of the watch but it's 99% of the game cost. It is the same for ANY tangible item you can buy, there is a material cost and a labour cost. You are stealing from both.
3. If it was stolen get insurance. If your dog chewed it take better care of your stuff and train your dog. You should have responsibility for YOUR items. If you lose a £20 note, or your dog eats it, do you think the bank will replace it?


No they aren't, you have lost your material product and your ability to use it (You can't wear a watch you have lost, and if you have lost a cd key or cd for software you shouldn't install it)

I haven't, as it's simply against the law. I wouldn't lend someone my car who didn't have a driving licence.
I have given someone an MSDN image, but I know they had rights of access to it being entitled to the MSDNAA as well as myself on the same course at the same university.


Because you bought a licence to watch on DVD, not in high definition. There are a lot of types of licence. Compare it to a train ticket if you will
You can buy a LOT of different train tickets
The cheapest is a single use ticket, to go to a particular place. This is like renting a movie for a single watch at that time
You could buy an open ticket, so you can use it any time that day. This is a timed rental for the day, like a film rental.
You can buy a season ticket. You can use the train any time. This is like buying a DVD
For any of these you can buy First Class. This is buying a HD version of each type

You can buy the train company. You can go anywhere, any time. This is owning the rights to it
You can't buy a ticket for standard travel then go in first class if you haven't paid for it.

Finlay you've ruined your own argument.

When I BUY a watch, it's mine, I can do what I like with it, I can take it apart if I want etc.

You quite correctly state that I don't BUY a game, I am licensed to run it. Therefore since I'm licensing it, I should be entitled to re-acquire my licensed product at only the cost of what it takes to get it to me - be that a new disc, cost of download etc. This should amount to no more than a few pounds.

If a company isn't willing to do that, then discs should be free of DRM so that I can make a back-up of my purchase without hindrance (UK law says I am entitled to make a back-up anyway).

The point was if you lose it you lose it

Get a game on Steam then. You will need to register games as you owning them. This removes your ability to sell it unless you relinquish the account. I think if Steam can work on transferring games it will be a great idea



It also says it is against the law to circumvent the copyright protection. Which act gives you the right to reproduce licenced material which you DO NOT own rights to reproduce? In which case pirates may be breaking criminal law

You can't compare a ticket and a movie. Movie is always a movie no matter what is the resolution and you buy it only once. If they went and filmed it again in high res then they might have a case and charge me again.

Also if I buy software I already paid for all labor and intellectual property. How can you even think about comparing watch and software? How much does it cost to create extra copy of a software? NOTHING!! How much does it cost to make extra copy of a watch? [LIFTED] loads!!!

Your arguments are ridiculous. I know you like to argue just for sake of arguing so I leave you to it. I am sure plenty of people will see my point...