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Because the radio station is paying on the basis of one listener per tuned in radio (or family unit).

In the workplace, you have more people listening together, which aren't a family unit...

Why do companies pay more for software than private individuals? Because they have to buy copies for everybody that will use it. It is the same principle.


No, it isn't. The radio station (commercial ones at least) pay on the basis of their Net Broadcasting Revenue - clicky.
As I don't work in the radio industry I have to assume that this is the profit/income the station receives by broadcasting. In the case of a commercial broadcaster the bulk of that is presumably from advertising revenue which in turn is based on the number of listeners the station has.
I find it somewhat difficult to believe that the listening figures for the BBC and commercial stations are calculated based on the idea that everyone out there listening is doing so while on their own or at home with their family. The idea is patently ridiculous. There must surely be some sort of accommodation in the figures that takes account of people who listen to the radio while at their place of work.
This is why I think the PRS are taking the p!ss. They get paid by the radio companies based effectively on the number of listeners they have and this must take into account people who listen at work. They then want any premises apart from private homes to pay them again for the privilege of listening to something that the PRS has already been paid for once already.

As an aside, should you have to pay the PRS to listen to the radio in your own garden for example? Or in a semi detached or terraced house? Or with a window open? Other people may be able to hear the broadcast if you do so.

I do accept your argument if we're talking about people listening to CDs at work. Like publicly available films they are sold specifically for personal use and there are specific prohibitions against their use for public broadcast so playing them at work counts as a breach of their terms of use. But there is a massive difference in the mode of delivery between a CD and a radio broadcast.

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How are they going to know if there are radios? Surely they can't go round and inspect every small business?

Every small business? Why not. They don't have the manpower to go to every business in a few weeks, but they'll have lists of regular offenders and cold call the rest over the years.


And how are they going to achieve that? Unless the business is actually open to the public (e.g. a shop), the PRS have no legal right to enter the premises.

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Simply, this is frikkin retarded.

If they're doing this now, why didn't they do this when radios were invented?

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Simply, this is frikkin retarded.

If they're doing this now, why didn't they do this when radios were invented?


They've been around since 1914.

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So why aren't things more clear-cut?

They've had 95 years to do this. Even the bloody BBC has been around for a lot less longer and already people know about the need for TV licenses. I think the PRS should:

(i) go F themselves.
(ii) give an adequate amount of public awareness so people are aware of this kind of crap.

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In 2008 the PRS expanded their legal battle to require licensing to include 61 year old mechanic, Paul Wilson, who plays his radio when he works by himself, a bakery that plays a radio in a private room at the back of the shop, a woman who plays classical radio to calm her horses, and community centres that allow children to sing carols in public.


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Further problems arise with the tactics used by the PRS in the United Kingdom because BBC radio is publicly financed through the TV licence fee and everyone has the right to listen to it free of charge.

So does this mean no problems if listening to BBC Radio?

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Following a furore in the media,[17][18] the PRS apologised in October 2009 to 'singing granny' Sandra Burt, a 56-year-old shelf-stacker at a village in Clackmannanshire for heavy-handedly persuing her for singing to herself while stacking shelves. She was initially told that she would be prosecuted and fined thousands of pounds. However, they subsequently acknowledged their mistake with a bunch of flowers.

These people are worse than the BBC TV licensing agency and parking attendants collectively.

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