That's exactly what I was thinking. Which is why CS, Halo and Crysis shouldn't even be in the list of nominees.

As for sequels of the above games...?

My list would contain games along the lines of... Prince of Persia (the original), Doom, DN3D, Pong, Command and Conquer and a few others maybe Portal as well for adding a new perspective to the 3D FPS Puzzle Platformer game.

Most new games just change the look of a game that's been done before hundreds of times.

I think it would be too hard to choose an overall winner though.

Hmm...

My thoughts on 'defining moments'

Wolfenstein 3D... hailed by many as the first 'First Person Shooter'... it wasn't but it pretty much created the 'FPS' genre

Elite... took an eternity to load, had a learning curve like a cliff face and you usually died within a few minutes trying to dock with a space station [or was that just me?]... but it was truly huge game [especially given the limited memory of what they ran on] and is the game by which all subsequent space traders and space-based [MMO]RPGs are compared to...

those are the two that immediately come to mind... i'lll post others when they come to me...

I see your point, but the question was "best game of all time". Can you honestly say you'd prefer to play the original Prince of Persia over something more recent? I've been gaming since the late 80's and whilst I enjoyed playing the likes of Doom on my old 486 and PoP on the Master System, I believe I have played better games since - the question was not "the game that defined a genre" or "most influential game" simply - the best game ever made.

Look at it as the pinnacle of each genre, rather than the start of it.
Take Crysis as an example - it is still the most technically advanced FPS out there, but it was short on excitement. However, Warhead then appeared using the same engine, but it was brief yet a complete thrill ride. Sure other FPS's have come out since, Far Cry 2, Fear 2 etc, but nothing has come close to Crysis and Warhead.

I stand by my MGS4 nomination because nothing else I've ever played has had such high production value, great control system, great plot and excellent stealthy action. I've played stealthy 3rd person action games before and since but nothing comes close.

The 1st game of any genre defines it, but it doesn't necessarily make them good!

Halo 3 I believe.

Either that or Baldurs Gate 1 - i'm not sure which one i've played more. Halo 3 has been more recent and i've loved every moment of it, playing with the lads with beers and other various manly things.

But BG1, classic times, playing over LAN with my girlfriend and her brother all the way through the campaign.

Hard call.

But for the moment i'm going to change to BG1.

Aye, I used to just try and concentrate enough until I could get by hands on the automatic docking thing-a-me-jig.

I agree though, for a game made for a 32k computer it engrossed me completely. Truly a turning point in my opinion.

conker's bad fur day!!!!

i am, the great mighty poo...

and im going to throw my $h1t at YOU!!

Hmm... good point.

In order to determine the best game of all time I suppose you would have to compare it to it's peers and decide how well it did at the time it was made/released/around.

I actually agree that I'd prefer to play PoP:Sands of Time to the original but that's because I can. However, when the original PoP was out it was the only game I wanted to play whereas Sands of Time has other games competing with it that are jut as good (although it's still the only game that I played through completely non-stop )

Ahh, the Beatles effect! Success because there was little else around, but had there been more competition they'd have sunk without trace.

Best Game ever.. mmm
RPG: BG2 (Godfather principle.. a sequel better than the original)
RTS: Command & Conquer: almost cost me my degree
FPS: Doom (not the first but defined the genre)

but for me the best game ever has to be "sword of Aragon" a game written in MS Quickbasic and released in 1989 so its 20 years old by SSI. A turn based strategy game that had something so many games lack today.. playability!!!

RPG: Final Fantasy 3 (I loved playing 3 on the DS recently, played it through 3 times as well!)
FPS: Hmmm... will have to do 2.5D and 3D
2.5D FPS: Duke Nukem 3d (even though it wasnt 3d...the comedy in it and innuendo made it great for me)
3D FPS: Half Life 1 (Torn between that and HL2, but 1 wins on originality and the quality of the game itself)
RTS: C&C: Red Alert (The FMV cut scenes made that game really good when I played it as a kid compared to regular C&C)
TBS: UFO: Enemy unknown (god that game was difficult playing it as a kid, had to use a guide to last more than a year!)
Racing: Toca 3/Gran Turismo 3 (4 was ok but not that great)
Action: GTA: Vice city (3 was ok but bikes and the choppers made vice city my fave)
Adventure: Oblivion (Would be fallout 3.....but not enough is different, Mass Effect would be number 1 if it wasn't for the f*cking elevators!!!!)
Point + Click: Monkey Island

Quite a list there....but I don't think that any one game is that amazing to be best of all time....there isn't really one for me.

Great game....but god was it unforgiving to the average player, I barely lasted more than a year without cheating on easy!

Warcraft 3 - The Reign of Chaos

Currently costing me my GCSE's. Sod it, im uninstalling it (for like the 5th time).

2 WEEKS till exams. Lets hit the deck... I've already lost 5 weeks to this game.

(btw my total game time should be measured in the 1000's of hours...)

+1 I lost waaayyy too much time to that game. I had the following versions:

Acorn Electron (tape)
BBC Micro (Tape)
BBC Micro (floppy disk)
Acorn Archimedes (Disk)

The BBC Micro floppy disk version was The Daddy of games at school - at the time, it was mind blowing - a massive universe, 3D ships. All on a 32K machine.

The Archimedes version is probably the best of the bunch listed above. Proper 3D and colour, and it used the full screen. The BBC versions tended to do clever stuff to the display circuitry to release some RAM for the game to use (you could do this on a BBC Micro if you knew how).

You will, of course, want to try the Open Source Oolite which is an excellent implementation of the game. Originally for Mac OSX, it’s now got Windows and Linux flavours too.

http://oolite.org/

And it’s free. Well worth a download.

Operation Flashpoint
Half Life
Final Fantasy VII (Still have a copy if anyone wants it, its the 4 disk CD double jewel case job.)
RTCW
Monkey Island
Commander Keen

You see I've not done any serious gaming for a few years.

Final Fantasy VII is probably my favourite game to date, although I did like Final Fantasy VIII too. Other than that, it's Half Life 2 for me.