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			| gavomatic57 Doesn't have much of a life 
					Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:30 pm
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   | Well, if you try jamming it into a tight orifice, it is going to chafe a bit...  On a more serious note, it's sharp, it's cheap, it's great in low light, great control over depth of field - what's not to like??_________________
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			| ProfessorF What's a life? 
					Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:56 pm
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   | What caused you so much grief with it?    For the Minoltas, I think I've got about 4 50mm primes, all the same 1:1.7. There is a 1:1.4 out there. Maybe one day, but the 1:1.7 is the fastest lens I own so all my low light stuff (like the Tar Barrels) tends to be on the 50mm.
 
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			| onemac Doesn't have much of a life 
					Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:14 pm
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   | So, I was discussing the 50 last night with my mate and he offered me a comparison.  He's just got the 24-105 'brick' and set it at 50mm.  He set ISO200, 1/125th sec at F5.6 and mounted the camera on a tripod.  Autofocus and manual focus snaps completed the test and the results were astounding.  Although the 50 is a good lens, the IQ on a 100% crop showed almost a blurred image from the 50 as opposed to the 24-105.  I'm starting to think a 10-22, 24-105 and my trusty 100-400 is the way to go.  Still like the idea of a 17-40 though     Al_________________
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			| andytw Has a life 
					Joined: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:41 pm
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   | The above is fair comment but imho misses the point of a "nifty fifty" . As has been said already the benefits of a "nifty fifty" are "fast, cheap and sharp", whereas while the 24-105 'brick' is sharp it doesn't go below F4 and at around £800 new is hardly cheap. In good light there is little doubt that the 24-105 is better at 50mm, but in low light you can carry on shooting with a "nifty fifty" for a lot longer without having to increase ISO or put the camera on a tripod.
 
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			| onemac Doesn't have much of a life 
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   | Sharp??? Take a look.  The difference is .... upsetting... 50 on the left... Al_________________
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			| curiousclive Occasionally has a life 
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   | Whats wrong with her grandma?    _________________
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			| ProfessorF What's a life? 
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   | Is this on a Canon body? I'm wondering if you've a back focus issue with that lens. You could, of course, try focusing manually...
 
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			| gavomatic57 Doesn't have much of a life 
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   | The one on the left is out of focus - quite impressively so... _________________
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			| belchingmatt I haven't seen my friends in so long 
					Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:16 am
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   | i recognise those chimneys.   _________________
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			| HeatherKay Moderator 
					Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:13 pm
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   | I think I'd be tempted to say that 50mm lens is broken.
 Mine is pin sharp under most circumstances.
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			| timark_uk Moderator 
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   | Prove it! I want to see a photograph of the head of a pin taken using that 50mm lens you're talking about. Money. Mouth. (8+) Mark
 
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			| HeatherKay Moderator 
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   | ƒ/1.8, at the closest point I could get handheld, ISO 100, and cropped to the centre of the frame. The focus missed the head, but at least the barrel of the pin is sharp...      Clicky for original link._________________My Flickr | Snaptophobic BloggageHeather Kay: modelling details that matter.  "Let my windows be open to receive new ideas but let me also be strong enough not to be blown away by them." - Mahatma Gandhi. 
 
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			| timark_uk Moderator 
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			| HeatherKay Moderator 
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   | You're welcome. Like I say, I think the lens Al tried is broken. Actually, I seem to recall he mentioned there was a focus issue with another of his lenses, so I wonder if it's actually the camera at fault?   _________________My Flickr | Snaptophobic BloggageHeather Kay: modelling details that matter.  "Let my windows be open to receive new ideas but let me also be strong enough not to be blown away by them." - Mahatma Gandhi. 
 
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			| EddArmitage I haven't seen my friends in so long 
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   | I was certainly shocked by the results he got. I like the idea of yours being pin-sharp though!
 
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