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pcernie
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:09 am |
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big_D
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Well, the US did send all those extra troops over to Afgahnistan in time to harvest the poppy crop 
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:41 am |
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jonbwfc
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If they know how many there are, doesn't that by definition mean they have to know where they are? And in that case won't a few incendiary smart bombs come in useful? Assuming they mean in Afghanistan it's possible those numbers are correct, as the Taliban were vehemently (and violently) opposed to drug use so there wasn't much of it about. However if he's intending to imply it would be a good thing to get the Taliban back in to solve the drug production issue, he's as big an idiot as he appears to be. The Russians really haven't had proper politicians very long. Sometimes you can tell. Jon
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:56 am |
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pcernie
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^ All good points, though I've seen it suggested that we could use the opium in our own medication when we do discover 'useful' crops 
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:29 pm |
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ProfessorF
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I've long thought that one of the best ways to do Afghanistan and ourselves a huge favour is to buy the opium from them. There was, I seem to recall, a global opiate shortage for medicine. By making it clear to the Afghans that we (or at least the Pfizers and Roche of this world) are helping support their economy, perhaps this would go some way to soothing relations? This way we get the medicine we need, they get the money they need.
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:33 pm |
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adidan
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That would make sense, but then the UK's attitude to drugs throughout history has been to generally send the boys in. I mean we only just handed Hong Kong back after knicking it off China when we got a bit peeved that they didn't like us getting their population hooked on Opium...
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:09 pm |
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ShockWaffle
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Better still, we should grow all our own in Europe under the CAP. Then the farmers in Afghanistan would be able to earn a living growing food crops (currently impossible due to us dumping our subsidised produce on the world market), and would not be able to earn one growing opiates.
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:20 pm |
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l3v1ck
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Could be. The Taliban took a very dim view of growing drugs. They had harsher penalties than there are now, so it's worth farmers growing again.
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:24 pm |
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F_A_F
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I used to work with a defence analyst who was filled with vitriol over the fact that the world is suffering a shortage of painkillers, yet nothing is done to utilise the massive crops of opium we could be legally getting from Afghanistan.
The Taliban used to see the growing of opium as fine and dandy; the Koran does forbid the use of narcotics, but as it was all being sold to the european devils in the west, it would only please god to see more of us addicted to it.
Flip only knows what's happening to it all since they got booted out. I doubt that it's much of a concern while hundreds are dying from IEDs and fighting.
As for Russia, well they're just indulging in the old nationalistic game of "blaming your problems on someone else". An old tactic, dusted off for the 21st century.
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:16 pm |
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adidan
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Well, alot of it will be down to them trying to just say "look, we couldn't do anything there, what makes you think you're having any success, for a second time?".
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Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:17 am |
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bally199
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Hell yeah, organic heroin! 
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eddie543
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Four good reasons to buy the poppy crop off afghan farmers at a price that is a cut above the illegal narcotic price: 1. A lot of farmers fund and help the Taliban due to interference from the west, so buying the crop will expand their market and therefore bring them onto our side. Decrease Taliban capabilities, increase cooperation and decrease antagonism. 2. There’s a nice bit of wedge to be made out of selling medical opiate supplies to healthcare systems, so we would profit and the costs of purchase would be therefore written off. 3. Solves the medical opiates supply problem. 4. Decreases supply of heroin and other derivative narcotics on the Illegal market. As far as russia are concerned and the world in general as far as heroin supply is concerned the invasion of afghanistan and occupation was and is a bad idea. However we are in a position where we can control the supply by economic power rather than millitary and reduce strain on our millitary by buying the crop. But as far as the west's involvement in this war up till now they have had a detemental effect. And you can't say russia is just blaming everyone else for its own problem because this is a heavilly influential country for the opium trade and if russia are finding it harder to control supply I would belive everyone else is.  |  |  |  | wiki wrote: During the Taliban rule, Afghanistan saw a bumper opium crop of 4,600 metric tons in 1999,[7]. In July 2000, Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic, resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. As a result of this ban, opium poppy cultivation was reduced by 91% from the previous year's estimate of 82,172 hectares. The ban was so effective that Helmand Province, which had accounted for more than half of this area, recorded no poppy cultivation during the 2001 season.[8] [edit] Present War in Afghanistan Opium production levels for 2005-2007
After the September 11, 2001 attacks, a combination of U.S. CIA and military forces (US and allied powers), in support of the Northern Alliance, invaded Afghanistan.
By November 2001, the collapse of the economy and the scarcity of other sources of revenue forced many of the country's farmers to resort back to growing opium for export.(1,300 km² in 2004 according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.)
In December 2001, a number of prominent Afghans met in Bonn, Germany, under United Nations (UN) auspices to develop a plan to reestablish the State of Afghanistan, including provisions for a new constitution and national elections. As part of that agreement, the United Kingdom (UK) was designated the lead country in addressing counter-narcotics issues in Afghanistan. Afghanistan subsequently implemented its new constitution and held national elections. On December 7, 2004, Hamid Karzai was formally sworn in as president of a democratic Afghanistan."[9]
Two of the following three growing seasons saw record levels of opium poppy cultivation. Corrupt officials may have undermined the government's enforcement efforts. Afghan farmers suggested that "government officials take bribes for turning a blind eye to the drug trade while punishing poor opium growers".[10]
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paulzolo
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Don’t medical crops have to be grown under certain controlled conditions?
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Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:51 pm |
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