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Should serial killers and the like be allowed games systems? 
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Prison is far too soft and hotel like these days. It's no deterrent at all.


You need to change the hotels you're staying in then.

Actually the last hotel room I stayed in was more like a hospital isolation room than a prison.
Be warned, do not stay at the Stratford-upon-Avon travel lodge.

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Err, hang on, this is a secure Psychiatric Hospital not a run of the mill prison.

Anyone who thinks they're holiday homes is extremely naive.

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Unfortunately for that viewpoint, eloquent though it was, like I wrote last night, Broadmoor is not a prison.

It is a secure hospital.

Now unless you object to any hospital whatsoever having games consoles IMO you're being rather hypocritical.

Just in case it got missed again, Broadmoor is a hospital not a prison.


nope stil dont think that they should get them, even though i'm skeptical of the source that states the already had X-box and PS units then what is the need to supply more entertainment for them apart from taking up 5 grand of money that could be used else where CLICK ME, i also think that things like WII's, X-Box and the like shouldnt be in hospitals, like yourself my issue is personally motivated by a situation i was in as a kid, i was on a kids ward for nealy 3 months fighting Osteomyelitis and facing a uncertian future and yet the we manafged to entertain ourselvs quite well

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SERIAL killers including the Yorkshire Ripper are enjoying £5,000 of Nintendo Wii gaming at taxpayers' expense.
Top-security Broadmoor Hospital - home to some of Britain's most evil criminals - has installed 22 of the trendy games consoles at £180 a time.

They were fitted to plasma TVs - even though patients already had Xbox and PlayStation units.


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rustybucket wrote:

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All of which is fair enough and completely true, along with everything else you said as far as I can see, but am I supposed to believe that all the people there are what the public would consider 'genuine patients'? I'm talking about once you get past the media hype I alluded to in the OP and so on and actually get down to the facts of cases and people like Ronnie Kray, for instance.


The "public" as an entity are usually the worst judges of anything to do with medicine. And don't confuse rumour, gossip and popular myth with fact.


The public are still entitled to think what they like, I'm saying they maybe have/had doubts as they might today in criminals who wind up in Broadmoor, as I do. That's all.

I'm not confusing 'rumour, gossip and popular myth with fact' - trying to find sources that aren't contradictory on the Krays is a nightmare online, and I've no books to hand at the minute. Wikipedia (never the most reliable to begin with) reckons Ronnie was declared insane twice for whatever reason, for instance. It gets even more confusing when you hear and read that 'insane' is a term that's rarely used these days...

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Ronnie and Reggie Kray were sentenced to life imprisonment with a non-parole period of 30 years. Reggie ended up in Maidstone Prison whilst Ronnie wound up in Broadmoor.

Now given that they were incarcerated at the same time and for the same crimes why were the two brothers given such different treatments? If Ronnie really was pretending and aiming for the high-life at Broadmoor then why didn't Reggie get the same? Moreover why would any Home Secretary ever let Ronnie's representatives successfully claim insanity if there were any doubt that he wasn't crazy and was actually just an evil bastard.


Again, I can't find anything that goes into detail on their sentencing online, especially not that I can check elsewhere, so I don't know off-hand.

And we've had some very dodgy sh1t pulled by Home Secs. over the years, especially when it comes to criminals and/or terrorists ;)

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The fact is that Ronnie suffered from paranoid schizophrenia - where "the clinical picture is dominated by relatively stable, often paranoid, delusions, usually accompanied by hallucinations, particularly of the auditory variety, and perceptual disturbances." This is a condition that, in order to qualify for treatment at Broadmoor, has to be pretty much indubitable and as such is almost impossible to fake.


He almost certainly wound up going off at the deep end, he married a woman while he was effectively incarcerated (read into that what you will), but there's something else I also don't know for certain - do the courts take into account someone knowing the difference between right and wrong and carrying out a criminal act anyway, whether they're imbalanced or not? Does a mental imbalance of whatever description increase the likelihood of violence, or is it just something the perpetrator decided they could get away with at the time? Christ, when and why does a given psychosis actually kick in?

I'm not claiming to have any answers, I'm just saying I have doubts about some of the processes, that's all ;)

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