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ProfessorF
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The Torygraph? Yes, fair and balanced. When she left office, IIRC, we had the highest rate of unemployment since the Great Depression.
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dogbert10
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Since when does the paper the article appears in matter given that the author has no affiliation with the paper. Are you suggesting that he wrote in response to the DT asking for a piece written to support their paricular view?
Perhaps a bit of research into the author might be appropriate before these conculsions are made?
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paulzolo
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ProfessorF
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He edits City AM - a paper designed to be handed out to the sort of person Thatcherism nurtured and saw as the brave face of a new UK. So forgive me if thinking his ideology might be somewhat sympathetic to the Telegraph's own. If it wasn't, I doubt if the paper would commission a piece from him. You don't need to ask when you're pretty certain your writer is on your team; if they weren't I suspect an edit here or there might tighten the copy up.
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ShockWaffle
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I don't recall the Economist's number ever going anywhere near the alarming and insane estimate you are peddling there.  Unattended markets do often do silly things and that may lead us to conclude that capping and controlling them fixes those things. But Thatcher was aware, and you are too if you are willing to admit it, that there are also unintended consequences of those same controls. The guy who wrote that article Dogbert linked to (who is the editor of City AM, which is probably a bit worse than the Torygraph) is overblown in his admiration of Thatcher's liberalization. But he isn't without a point. Over-regulation does cripple growth just as surely as under-regulation promotes collapse. I don't approve of this thin end of the wedge argument either. Thatcher is a historical actor, operating within her times, and aligning incentives according to the perceived needs of those times. The 4 prime ministers who have followed here all are to be understood in the same terms. The implication that Thatcher had self will but everyone else was a prisoner of her historical design is logically untenable.
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:38 pm |
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jonbwfc
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Err, no, exactly the opposite in fact. Plus I don't think 'newspaper publishes article in line with it's editorial policy' was exactly a controversial point to make.. That's far more effort than its worth, to be honest.
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paulzolo
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:00 pm |
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MrStevenRogers
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just goes to show what the average person/people/UK think(s) about her all the elite think that she was the Jesus h Christ walking on water one of the first to be invited to 10 Downing street by Blair (after election) was her, one of the first to be invited to 10 Downing street by Brown (after election) was her states a lot about the system ...
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oceanicitl
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You only have to sell about 50 tracks to make the top 10 these days lol
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:15 am |
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jonbwfc
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It's democracy in action. People are actually spending their own money to show the world what they think of the rather mawkish eulogising that's going on. And it is a little bit funny, let's be honest. Thatcher was a complex, sometimes contradictory character. She had an agenda and she pushed it though. Some people benefitted from that agenda, some people were hurt by it. It's bordering on the delusional to expect the people who were hurt by her actions to somehow be nice to her after her passing. That would be utterly hypocritical.
As for the Daily Mail & the like condemning anyone who isn't being nice to her after her death, I saw an interesting web page yesterday that republished the articles they ran after the death of labour politician (and avowed left winger) Michael Foot. Let's just say they weren't as complimentary to him at all. If there's any hypocrites in this whole affair it's (unsurprisingly) the press themselves.
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:18 am |
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jonbwfc
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IIRC roughly you have to sell 50,000 copies to get to number one these days unless it's mid summer at which point the number drops dramatically. 50,00 isn't 'everyone', but it's just as valid an expression as any newspaper headline, which at the end of the day is actually the opinion of maybe a dozen people at most.
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Amnesia10
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On a quiet week I think it is a very low figure, though I think that this sold more than 50. I mean there must be more than 50 ex-miners with iTunes accounts?
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MrStevenRogers
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if you are going to quote me could you please quote me in full i think i may have earned that privilege, wherever you agree with it or not instead of redacting part/most of the post, thank you ...
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oceanicitl
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l3v1ck
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Despite being a fan, I have to agree with you there. She didn't die in office so it should come out of her estate.
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