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The EU referendum thread 

In or out?
In 69%  69%  [ 18 ]
Out 23%  23%  [ 6 ]
We get to keep pie, right? 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
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Brexit will cause cancer in babies.

...and accelerate global warming

It's true y'know. Honest. ;)

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Actually given the EU has much greater restrictions on food additives than say the USA and is also pushing more for carbon reduction targets and renewable energy, in both of those cases it probably would, yes :D


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Oh FGS, Boris has Godwinned the referendum debate.


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Oh FGS, Boris has Godwinned the referendum debate.


Boris Johnson criticised for 'desperate' link between EU and Hitler | Politics | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... superstate

That bit with Farage is even scarier.

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We'll be finding out how nasty people really are, and who they are in this campaign.

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"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." Jean Monnet, Chief founder of the European Union.


i agree with BJ's statement which is based on history because all the remain camp have is more farce, lies, fiddled statistics backed up by F.U.D ...

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i agree with BJ's statement which is based on history because all the remain camp have is more farce, lies, fiddled statistics backed up by F.U.D ...

It's getting to the point of irony now, isn't it?


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"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." Jean Monnet, Chief founder of the European Union.


i agree with BJ's statement which is based on history because all the remain camp have is more farce, lies, fiddled statistics backed up by F.U.D ...

You accuse them of lies and spreading FUD, yet you're the one posting a quote attributed to a founder of the EU that has never been proven. It was quoted by others, claiming that he said, but there is no actual proof either way.

I suppose fact checking isn't all that important, when your own aim is to spread Lies, fear, uncertainty and doubt.

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which is based on history

It's an utterly ludicrous comparison and any reasonable historian would punch you in the face if you said it to him or her. It's like saying Usain Bolt and I are are comparable runners because we've both worn trainers on occasion.

It does the Leave campaign no favours for it's figurehead to be dealing in this kind of hyperbole. There are good arguments to leave but 'The EU is like Hitler, innit' is definitely, definitely not one of them. For one thing it makes Boris look staggeringly thick, which despite his public persona he certainly is not.

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MrStevenRogers wrote:
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"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." Jean Monnet, Chief founder of the European Union.


i agree with BJ's statement which is based on history because all the remain camp have is more farce, lies, fiddled statistics backed up by F.U.D ...


Churchill wanted us to form a single country with France during WWII. When Germany invaded, the plan was put on hold Churchill was keen in much closer European integration after the war, but he lost the general election after the war, and plans were put on hold. Had Churchill got his way, we’d all be in a much larger European State now than the Brexiters are keen to shout about.

Of course, Boris won’t want to mention that. It’s a tad “off message”.

Also, while on the subject of the Leave campaign:
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The In team yesterday laid on a big show of cross-party unity to demonstrate the breadth of support for their cause. There were speeches and campaign appearances by the leaders of the Tory, Labour, Lib Dem and Green parties, along with a lot of activity on the street by their supporters. This couldn’t have been better timed to strike a contrast with the furious rows consuming the Out gang. While Britain prepares to make a profound choice about its place in the world, the feuding factions among the Outers have been squabbling about which of them should appear on a TV programme.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... SApp_Other

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Of course, Boris won’t want to mention that. It’s a tad “off message”.

He probably also won't want anyone to mention he wrote exactly that in a biography of Churchill he penned in 2014...

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MrStevenRogers wrote:
i agree with BJ's statement which is based on history because all the remain camp have is more farce, lies, fiddled statistics backed up by F.U.D ...

It's getting to the point of irony now, isn't it?


that's for sure ...

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MrStevenRogers wrote:
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"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." Jean Monnet, Chief founder of the European Union.


i agree with BJ's statement which is based on history because all the remain camp have is more farce, lies, fiddled statistics backed up by F.U.D ...


Churchill wanted us to form a single country with France during WWII. When Germany invaded, the plan was put on hold Churchill was keen in much closer European integration after the war, but he lost the general election after the war, and plans were put on hold. Had Churchill got his way, we’d all be in a much larger European State now than the Brexiters are keen to shout about.

Of course, Boris won’t want to mention that. It’s a tad “off message”.

Also, while on the subject of the Leave campaign:
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They wanted to gag Nigel Farage. Now Tory Outers sound like him
The In team yesterday laid on a big show of cross-party unity to demonstrate the breadth of support for their cause. There were speeches and campaign appearances by the leaders of the Tory, Labour, Lib Dem and Green parties, along with a lot of activity on the street by their supporters. This couldn’t have been better timed to strike a contrast with the furious rows consuming the Out gang. While Britain prepares to make a profound choice about its place in the world, the feuding factions among the Outers have been squabbling about which of them should appear on a TV programme.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... SApp_Other


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Winston Churchill ... We see nothing but good and hope in a richer, freer, more contented European commonality. But we have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not compromised. We are interested and associated but not absorbed.


which comes back to ...

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"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." Jean Monnet, Chief founder of the European Union.


ps. Jean Monnet the "father of the EU" was never ever elected to any public office at any time in any way shape or form. he was a bankster ...

we are better out of the EU and only trading with it under WTO trading rules everything else remains sovereign to the UK of GB & NI ...

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So, I'm now registered to vote...

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There are many problems with choosing to leave.
One of my main ones is that we're handing over control to people like this. Essentially the cast of the Muppets.
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Ok, not the last guy. But let's not forget that guy isn't blessed with fiscal or political nous, and who's value changes depending on how he feels.
So yeah, a great recommendation from somebody on TV who's got a string of failed businesses. It's like asking Lindsey Lohan for investment advice.

So the other two chaps are, lets face it, somewhat short of the mark as well.
Farage there had a spot of bother with the party finances, says he can't rub along on £109,000, and reckoned Goldman Sachs would need to pay him about £250,000 a year to compete with the benefits he was enjoying from being an MEP.
Truly, a man of the people. Certainly he's a man who thinks most forms of legal tax avoidance are ok. So don't expect Amazon et al to suddenly have their feet held to the coals until they cough up if UKIP have their way.

Bojo there, of course, is a Tory. A man who believes spending more in London will somehow make life better for the rest of us.
All of the above believe in trickle down economics, which is akin to having three dogs, giving one a sausage and expecting it to share.

The EU might not be perfect, but then nothing is. Better to be involved in attempting change than running away.


And if we did leave the EU, what do all of our ~1.2million emigrants to do?
Do they need to apply for work visas and permissions to be in the countries they may be settled in?

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