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He clearly does not like us.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/feb/02/soyinka-england-cesspit-islamists

He clearly does not like us.


Bet the Yanks come over here and start bombing us into the stone age now.

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"That was an irrational, knee-jerk reaction by the Americans,"

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He's got a point about it being a breeding ground. Thanks to EU laws, rather than booting out preachers of hate, we let them stay while they radicalise people, and give them lots of benefits while they're at it.

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Thanks to EU laws, rather than booting out preachers of hate, we let them stay while they radicalise people, and give them lots of benefits while they're at it.


From what my parents said about a sermon from a visiting woman cleric to their Church, there's a few members of the C of E that should also be counted in that number.

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He's got a point about it being a breeding ground. Thanks to EU laws, rather than booting out preachers of hate, we let them stay while they radicalise people, and give them lots of benefits while they're at it.

I would suspect that the actual numbers who are doing the radicalising are very few. The fact that there are almost no home grown mullahs and we have to import them from Saudi, which is an extremist society at best does not help. The mullahs come here and are unable to speak English and preach in Arabic, making no effort to integrate.

The vast majority of muslims that I know do not even go to the mosque. They drink and are pretty integrated. Prisons are a huge source of radicalisation, that needs to be addressed.

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I would suspect that the actual numbers who are doing the radicalising are very few.
That's probably true, but we should still be able to boot them out.
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The vast majority of muslims that I know do not even go to the mosque. They drink and are pretty integrated. Prisons are a huge source of radicalisation, that needs to be addressed.
True, but I've no idea how.

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He's got a point about it being a breeding ground. Thanks to EU laws, rather than booting out preachers of hate, we let them stay while they radicalise people, and give them lots of benefits while they're at it.


What EU laws are those?

The EU only comes into it if they're European citizens, which I doubt they are.

I suspect you're referring to the ECHR, which has nothing to do with the European Union, but rather the Council of Europe.

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He's got a point about it being a breeding ground. Thanks to EU laws, rather than booting out preachers of hate, we let them stay while they radicalise people, and give them lots of benefits while they're at it.


What EU laws are those?

The EU only comes into it if they're European citizens, which I doubt they are.

I suspect you're referring to the ECHR, which has nothing to do with the European Union, but rather the Council of Europe.


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The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union enshrines certain political, social, and economic rights for European Union citizens and residents, into European Union law. It came into effect on the entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009.

Under the Charter the European Union (EU) must act and legislate consistently with the Charter and the EU's courts will strike down EU legislation which contravenes it. The Charter only applies to member states when they are implementing EU law and does not extend the competences of the EU beyond the competences given to it elsewhere in the treaties.

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l3v1ck wrote:
He's got a point about it being a breeding ground. Thanks to EU laws, rather than booting out preachers of hate, we let them stay while they radicalise people, and give them lots of benefits while they're at it.


What EU laws are those?

The EU only comes into it if they're European citizens, which I doubt they are.

I suspect you're referring to the ECHR, which has nothing to do with the European Union, but rather the Council of Europe.


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The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union enshrines certain political, social, and economic rights for European Union citizens and residents, into European Union law. It came into effect on the entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon on 1 December 2009.

Under the Charter the European Union (EU) must act and legislate consistently with the Charter and the EU's courts will strike down EU legislation which contravenes it. The Charter only applies to member states when they are implementing EU law and does not extend the competences of the EU beyond the competences given to it elsewhere in the treaties.


The Charter of Fundamental Rights isn't implemented in the United Kingdom, we opted-out.

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The Charter of Fundamental Rights isn't implemented in the United Kingdom, we opted-out.


True but its only a matter of time.

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The Charter of Fundamental Rights isn't implemented in the United Kingdom, we opted-out.


True but its only a matter of time.


Yes but even then it only applies to EU citizens, so if we've been stupid enough to give them British passports then it's our own fault. And anyway it still doesn't apply to the current situation. I'm not going to let the EU take the fall for a situation it has nothing to do with.

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we have always been the cesspit of radical views
that's why we are the mother of parliamentary democracy …

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The Charter of Fundamental Rights isn't implemented in the United Kingdom, we opted-out.


True but its only a matter of time.


Is that what you want cos thats what will happen (!)
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We're not allowed to deport people back to heir own country if they face persecution there. Some of these hate preachers come from countries with dubious human rights backgrounds, so they claim they would be hurt if they were sent back.

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